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registered interest false more like this
date less than 2014-11-03more like thismore than 2014-11-03
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Marriage: Humanism more like this
house id 2 remove filter
legislature
25277
pref label House of Lords more like this
question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether they intend to introduce legislation enabling humanist marriages to be recognised. more like this
tabling member printed
Lord Lester of Herne Hill more like this
uin HL2601 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2014-11-17more like thismore than 2014-11-17
answer text <p /> <p>The Government has consulted on whether the law should be changed to allow legally valid humanist and potentially other non-religious belief marriages. We are considering the responses we received and the implications for marriage law and practice if a change were to be made. We plan to publish the Government’s response to the review before 1 January 2015.</p> more like this
answering member printed Lord Faulks more like this
question first answered
less than 2014-11-17T16:28:44.813Zmore like thismore than 2014-11-17T16:28:44.813Z
answering member
4183
label Biography information for Lord Faulks more like this
tabling member
2037
label Biography information for Lord Lester of Herne Hill more like this
105790
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2014-11-03more like thismore than 2014-11-03
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Prisons: Parcels more like this
house id 2 remove filter
legislature
25277
pref label House of Lords more like this
question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government what assessment they have made of the effects of the ban on the receipt by prisoners in England and Wales of parcels containing for example books, underwear, clothing, stationery and Christmas presents. more like this
tabling member printed
Lord Lester of Herne Hill more like this
uin HL2603 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2014-11-17more like thismore than 2014-11-17
answer text <p /> <p>There have always been controls on the sending of parcels into prisons; the revised Incentives and Earned Privileges (IEP) national policy framework has simply ensured greater consistency across the prison estate. We now have simple rules that allow prisoners a parcel of items when they first arrive in prison, and then only further items in exceptional circumstances. The restrictions were introduced to enhance existing security measures and to prevent the IEP policy framework from being undermined.</p><p> </p><p>There is no longer a numerical limit on the amount of underwear that prisoners can have in possession; the amount they can have is subject only to overarching volumetric control limits.</p> more like this
answering member printed Lord Faulks more like this
question first answered
less than 2014-11-17T16:19:40.037Zmore like thismore than 2014-11-17T16:19:40.037Z
answering member
4183
label Biography information for Lord Faulks more like this
tabling member
2037
label Biography information for Lord Lester of Herne Hill more like this
101739
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2014-10-30more like thismore than 2014-10-30
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Extradition: Legal Aid Scheme more like this
house id 2 remove filter
legislature
25277
pref label House of Lords more like this
question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government when they last considered the High Level Cost Benefit Analysis of Removing Legal Aid Means Testing in Extradition Cases prepared by the Ministry of Justice for Sir Scott Baker’s review of the United Kingdom’s extradition arrangements of September 2011; and when they next intend to do so. more like this
tabling member printed
Lord Inglewood more like this
uin HL2548 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2014-11-17more like thismore than 2014-11-17
answer text <p /> <p>Her Majesty’s Government last considered the Cost Benefit Analysis in October 2012 shortly before it published its response to Sir Scott Baker’s Review of the United Kingdom’s Extradition Arrangements.</p><p> </p><p>Her Majesty’s Government has no plans to re-consider the Cost Benefit Analysis in the immediate future.</p> more like this
answering member printed Lord Faulks more like this
question first answered
less than 2014-11-17T12:42:45.77Zmore like thismore than 2014-11-17T12:42:45.77Z
answering member
4183
label Biography information for Lord Faulks more like this
tabling member
1980
label Biography information for Lord Inglewood more like this
101679
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2014-10-29more like thismore than 2014-10-29
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Prisoners: Females more like this
house id 2 remove filter
legislature
25277
pref label House of Lords more like this
question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government how many women were in prisons in England on 30 June in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014 respectively. more like this
tabling member printed
Baroness Corston more like this
uin HL2501 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2014-11-17more like thismore than 2014-11-17
answer text <p /> <p>The decision to sentence a person to a custodial sentence, or to remand a person into custody prior to trial or sentencing, is a matter for the independent judiciary and courts will take into account all the circumstances of the offence and the offender in determining this.</p><p> </p><p>For the last two years, the female prison population has been consistently under 4,000 for the first time in a decade. Data on the number of women in prison is published annually at:</p><p>https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/339036/prison-population-2014.xls</p><p> </p><p>The numbers of women in prisons in England on 30<sup>th</sup> June on each of the years in question were:</p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p>2006</p></td><td><p>2007</p></td><td><p>2008</p></td><td><p>2009</p></td><td><p>2010</p></td><td><p>2011</p></td><td><p>2012</p></td><td><p>2013</p></td><td><p>2014</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>4,463</p></td><td><p>4,283</p></td><td><p>4,505</p></td><td><p>4,307</p></td><td><p>4,267</p></td><td><p>4,185</p></td><td><p>4,123</p></td><td><p>3,853</p></td><td><p>3,929</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p> </p><p>We are committed to making sure that sentencers have robust community options at their disposal. The Female Offenders Advisory Board are working in Greater Manchester on a pathfinder aimed at providing sentencers with robust and effective sentencing options in the community which may divert women from custody, where appropriate. Learning from the pathfinder will inform a new operating model for working differently with women in the criminal justice system. We are also testing a new model of liaison and diversion in police custody and the courts. The trial scheme, in 10 areas, will aim to identify, assess and refer people with mental health, learning disability, substance misuse and social vulnerabilities into treatment or support services.</p><p> </p><p>We are also working to make sure that female offenders have the support they need to turn their lives around. In March 2014, we published a first year progress report on delivery of our strategic objectives for female offenders, which sets out clearly our key priorities for addressing the needs of female offenders and reducing the number of women in custody. Our Transforming Rehabilitation reforms also mean that those serving under 12 month sentences will, for the first time in recent history, be subject to statutory supervision including a licence period in the community, aimed at supporting successful community reintegration and rehabilitation. Proportionally, more women than men are serving short sentences so they will benefit particularly from this element of the reforms.</p>
answering member printed Lord Faulks more like this
question first answered
less than 2014-11-17T14:18:29.543Zmore like thismore than 2014-11-17T14:18:29.543Z
answering member
4183
label Biography information for Lord Faulks more like this
tabling member
215
label Biography information for Baroness Corston more like this
101264
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2014-10-28more like thismore than 2014-10-28
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Forced Marriage Protection Orders more like this
house id 2 remove filter
legislature
25277
pref label House of Lords more like this
question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government how many Forced Marriage Protection Orders have been issued since the Forced Marriage (Civil Protection) Act 2007 came into force. more like this
tabling member printed
Lord Lester of Herne Hill more like this
uin HL2469 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2014-11-11more like thismore than 2014-11-11
answer text <p>Forced marriage is an appalling crime and should not be tolerated.</p><p> </p><p>Since the 2007 Act came into force on 25 November 2008 and up to the end of June 2014, 719 Forced Marriage Protection Orders have been made.</p><p> </p><p>We have also created a new criminal offence that will enable faster and more effective action to be taken against those who breach forced marriage protection orders by forcing someone to get married against their will. This offence is designed to prosecute individuals who force somene to get married against their will; the person who has been forced to get married will not be prosecuted.</p> more like this
answering member printed Lord Faulks more like this
question first answered
less than 2014-11-11T16:49:11.7195681Zmore like thismore than 2014-11-11T16:49:11.7195681Z
answering member
4183
label Biography information for Lord Faulks more like this
tabling member
2037
label Biography information for Lord Lester of Herne Hill more like this
101269
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2014-10-28more like thismore than 2014-10-28
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Judges: Training more like this
house id 2 remove filter
legislature
25277
pref label House of Lords more like this
question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government what is the annual budget for the training of district judges (magistrates' courts) and deputy district judges (magistrates' courts) for each of the last five years, and for the current year. more like this
tabling member printed
Lord Beecham more like this
uin HL2474 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2014-11-17more like thismore than 2014-11-17
answer text <p>The responsibility for the training of District Judges (magistrates’ courts) and deputies lies with the Lord Chief Justice as head of the judiciary and is exercised through the Judicial College.</p><p> </p><p>It is not possible to fully separate the budget figures between the DJ(MC)s and deputies as some continuation training events are attended jointly. Where it is possible to show separation it has been done.</p><p> </p><p /> <p /><table><tbody><tr><td><p><strong>Financial Year</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Attending</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Sub Totals</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Total (£000s)</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2009/10</strong></p></td><td><p>DDJ &amp; DJ</p></td><td><p>£185</p></td><td><p><strong>£185</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong> </strong></p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2010/11</strong></p></td><td><p>DDJ</p></td><td><p>£22</p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p>DDJ &amp; DJ</p></td><td><p>£162</p></td><td><p><strong>£184</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong> </strong></p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2011/12</strong></p></td><td><p>DDJ</p></td><td><p>£23</p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p>DDJ &amp; DJ</p></td><td><p>£205</p></td><td><p><strong>£228</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong> </strong></p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2012/13</strong></p></td><td><p>DDJ</p></td><td><p>£20</p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p>DJ</p></td><td><p>£83</p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p>DDJ &amp; DJ</p></td><td><p>£133</p></td><td><p><strong>£236</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong> </strong></p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2013/14</strong></p></td><td><p>DDJ</p></td><td><p>£31</p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p>DDJ &amp; DJ</p></td><td><p>£137</p></td><td><p><strong>£168</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong> </strong></p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2014/15</strong></p></td><td><p>DDJ</p></td><td><p>£28</p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p>DDJ &amp; DJ</p></td><td><p>£122</p></td><td><p><strong>£150</strong></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p>These figures reflect a half-day sitting fee paid to DDJ(MC) attending training. However, recent Court decisions require the College to pay a full day’s sitting fee to certain fee-paid judiciary whilst attending training seminars, and this is not reflected in these figures. [For previous years the College paid a half-day sitting fee whilst attending training.]</p>
answering member printed Lord Faulks more like this
question first answered
less than 2014-11-17T12:02:40.737Zmore like thismore than 2014-11-17T12:02:40.737Z
answering member
4183
label Biography information for Lord Faulks more like this
tabling member
4181
label Biography information for Lord Beecham more like this
101270
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2014-10-28more like thismore than 2014-10-28
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Magistrates more like this
house id 2 remove filter
legislature
25277
pref label House of Lords more like this
question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government how many lay magistrates were asked to step down by advisory committees in the last year for which there are data on the ground of failing to maintain the required competences; and how many magistrates each year undergo appraisal. more like this
tabling member printed
Lord Beecham more like this
uin HL2475 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2014-11-11more like thismore than 2014-11-11
answer text <p /> <p>The assessment of magistrates’ competence is a matter for the local Bench Training and Development Committee (BDTC), which reports to the advisory committee for the local justice area. Where the BDTC has concluded that a magistrate has failed, over a period of time, to reach the required standard the advisory committee may make a recommendation to the Lord Chancellor and the Lord Chief Justice that the magistrate should be removed from office.</p><p> </p><p>The process for removing a magistrate on such a basis is managed by the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office. One magistrate has been removed from the magistracy during the last year for failing to maintain the required competences.</p><p> </p><p>Magistrates are appraised on their performance once every three years for each jurisdiction (adult court, family court, youth court) in which they sit. Appraisals are carried out locally by trained appraisers in line with a nationally approved framework. On account of the three-yearly cycle, roughly a third of the approximately 21,000 magistrates in England and Wales could expect to undergo appraisal in any given year.</p>
answering member printed Lord Faulks more like this
question first answered
less than 2014-11-11T16:54:55.6092357Zmore like thismore than 2014-11-11T16:54:55.6092357Z
answering member
4183
label Biography information for Lord Faulks more like this
tabling member
4181
label Biography information for Lord Beecham more like this
101271
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2014-10-28more like thismore than 2014-10-28
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Magistrates: Training more like this
house id 2 remove filter
legislature
25277
pref label House of Lords more like this
question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government how much HM Courts and Tribunal Service has spent on the expenses of magistrates undergoing training or development not provided by the Judicial College in each of the last five years; and what proportion of those expenses costs were taken up by travel. more like this
tabling member printed
Lord Beecham more like this
uin HL2476 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2014-11-17more like thismore than 2014-11-17
answer text <p /> <p>The table below provides details of expenditure by HM Courts and Tribunals Service on the expenses of magistrates undergoing local training or development in each of the last five years.</p><p> </p><p><strong> </strong></p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><strong>Period</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Travel &amp; Subsistence </strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Loss of Earnings (Financial Loss Allowance) </strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Total *</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2009/10</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£628,566</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£284,231</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£912,797</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2010/11</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£525,091</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£188,745</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£713,837</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2011/12</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£405,888</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£159,786</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£565,674</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2012/13</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£456,120</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£145,741</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£601,861</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2013/14</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£374,554</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£94,646</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>£469,200</strong></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong>* Figures may not sum to total due to rounding</strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p> </p><p>The training consists of the minimum annual provision which has to be provided to Magistrates as agreed between the Judicial College and HMCTS. It also includes any training deemed necessary by each Magistrates Area Training Committee (MATC).</p><p> </p><p>It is not possible to break down the travel expenses separately, due to the way the information is recorded on the database.</p>
answering member printed Lord Faulks more like this
question first answered
less than 2014-11-17T12:00:17.067Zmore like thismore than 2014-11-17T12:00:17.067Z
answering member
4183
label Biography information for Lord Faulks more like this
tabling member
4181
label Biography information for Lord Beecham more like this
101272
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2014-10-28more like thismore than 2014-10-28
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Magistrates: Training more like this
house id 2 remove filter
legislature
25277
pref label House of Lords more like this
question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government how many magistrates last year took courses described by the Judicial College as "desirable"; and what were those courses. more like this
tabling member printed
Lord Beecham more like this
uin HL2477 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2014-11-11more like thismore than 2014-11-11
answer text <p /> <p>The responsibility for the training of Magistrates lies with the Lord Chief Justice as head of the judiciary and is exercised through the Judicial College.</p><p> </p><p>In May 2009, the former Judicial Studies Board set out guidance on the status of training and on attendance at training events by magistrates. There are three categories of training: 1) compulsory 2) essential and 3) desirable. Compulsory training arises out of the s.10 (4) Courts Act 2003 which sets out where induction training must take place. Essential training provides consolidation and continuation training and also “specific issues training”. The latter is where major legislative or procedural changes take place which magistrates are expected to be familiar with and where attendance at training events will be expected. Desirable training is what is provided beyond the compulsory and essential elements and the full training delivery programme is determined locally by each Magistrates Area Training Committee taking in to account local training needs.</p><p> </p><p>Under the Protocol for the National Minimum Training provision for Magistrates, HMCTS must provide the resources for the delivery of all compulsory and essential training identified in each MATC Training Plan. The MATC will prioritise the delivery of desirable training from any additional training funds that may be available.</p><p>Each (MATC) provides a return to the Judicial College on their activities for the year. The returns show that all compulsory and essential training has been completed but it is not possible to extract from the returns the total number of magistrates who attended “desirable” training during 2013/14 in accordance with the Judicial College definition. The range of “desirable” training events covered overall is as follows:</p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p>Advisory Training,</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Applications, Road Traffic &amp; Effective Questioning in Court training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Appraisal Continuation</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Appraiser Panel Bite Size training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Appraiser Refresher</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Allocation Training and Mental Health Presentation</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>BTDC Interviewing</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>BTDC New Member Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Case Management/Adjournment Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Community Orders and Suspended Sentences</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Community Orders and Suspended Sentences/update on the role of LA</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Crown Court Sitting</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Crown Court Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Dealing with young and vulnerable people in court</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Presentation on Access to Substance Misuse Treatment within DRR &amp; ATR Orders</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Refresher Training covering LASPO , Allocation, Freeman of the land, &amp; Case Management</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Fines Enforcement Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Focus on Fairness</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Follow up session - New JPs</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Locally Identified Training Need - Metal Theft Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Local Training Conferences</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Loopholes in Road Traffic Law</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>MA AGM &amp; Annual Training Event</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Magistrates' Association Training Conferences</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Mentor Continuation Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Mentor Development</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Prison Visit for core training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Probation Projects &amp; Restorative Justice Training Event</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Probation Training Day</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Refresher Appraiser Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Restorative Justice</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Road Traffic Act</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Road Traffic Special Reasons and Exceptional Hardship</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Role Play Session for Trainee Chairmen</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Sentencer Engagement Events</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Special Appeals Panel</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Speech, Language Communication Needs Workshop</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Online training - Mental Health and learning Disabilities in criminal courts</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Search Warrant Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Speeding</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>TDC Member Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>TDC New Member Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>TDC Recruitment &amp; Selection Training</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Youth Offending Service events</p></td></tr></tbody></table>
answering member printed Lord Faulks more like this
question first answered
less than 2014-11-11T16:59:04.649033Zmore like thismore than 2014-11-11T16:59:04.649033Z
answering member
4183
label Biography information for Lord Faulks more like this
tabling member
4181
label Biography information for Lord Beecham more like this
101283
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2014-10-28more like thismore than 2014-10-28
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Immigration: Appeals more like this
house id 2 remove filter
legislature
25277
pref label House of Lords more like this
question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether the deployment of expert non-legal members in the Immigration and Asylum Chamber has been reduced; and, if so, whether they have any plans to recommend a review of the situation following the recent consultations within the judiciary. more like this
tabling member printed
The Earl of Sandwich more like this
uin HL2488 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2014-11-11more like thismore than 2014-11-11
answer text <p /> <p>In 2014/15 non-legal members have sat for 419 days within the Immigration and Asylum Chambers between 1 April 2014 and 30 June 2014, the most recent reporting period. This is a reduction of 35 sitting days from the same period in 2013/14 when non-legal members sat for 454 days.</p><p> </p><p>The First-tier Tribunal and Upper Tribunal (Composition of Tribunal) Order 2008 provides that composition of Tribunal panels is a matter for the Senior President of Tribunals and that this power may be delegated to Chamber Presidents. The Immigration and Asylum Chambers make available sufficient sitting days for non-legal members required for the panel compositions requested under the Senior President’s delegated powers and there are no plans to recommend a review at this time.</p> more like this
answering member printed Lord Faulks more like this
question first answered
less than 2014-11-11T16:51:11.4993102Zmore like thismore than 2014-11-11T16:51:11.4993102Z
answering member
4183
label Biography information for Lord Faulks more like this
tabling member
2109
label Biography information for The Earl of Sandwich more like this