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registered interest false more like this
date less than 2015-03-09more like thismore than 2015-03-09
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Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 remove filter
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Prisons: Restraint Techniques more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many incidents of use of force resulted in (a) minor and (b) serious injuries in each private prison in England and Wales in each year since 2010. more like this
tabling member constituency Rotherham remove filter
tabling member printed
Sarah Champion more like this
uin 226653 more like this
answer
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is ministerial correction true remove filter
date of answer less than 2015-03-23more like thismore than 2015-03-23
answer text <p>The number of violent criminals in our prisons has increased by 40% in the past 10 years. A specialised system of restraint known as control and restraint (C&amp;R) has been developed over many years to ensure that prisoners can be controlled with minimum risk of injury to staff or prisoners. C&amp;R is a system of techniques used by a team of three officers as a last resort to bring a violent or refractory prisoner under control. Wherever possible staff should avoid the use of force and de-escalate the situation by persuasion or negotiation; if the techniques are applied then they are used for as short a time as possible. Healthcare staff examine all prisoners on whom force has been used.</p><p> </p><p>Violence in prisons is not tolerated; and assaults on our hardworking staff are unacceptable. That is why we have introduced a new protocol establishing that when there are serious assaults on prison staff, the perpetrators must be prosecuted unless there is a good reason why not. This will ensure that prisoners who attack staff are prosecuted and fully brought to justice. It will mean that more of the prisoners who assault staff will spend longer behind bars.</p><p> </p><p>All prisons submit a central monthly return providing the number of times force has been used in the prison with details of any injuries sustained. Central data identifies the number of individuals injured rather than the number of incidents where an injury occurred . Use of force incidents may involve multiple prisoners, for example, force used to separate a fight. To identify the number of incidents would require manual interrogation of use of force documentation held at establishments and could only be achieved at disproportionate cost.</p><p> </p><p>Central data only records whether an injury resulted in hospitalisation or not. To identify if the injuries sustained were minor or serious would also require manual interrogation of use of force documentation held at establishments and could only be achieved at disproportionate cost.</p><p> </p><p>The table below provides details of the number of prisoners hospitalised following an incident where force was used in contracted prisons.</p><p> </p><p><strong><br /> </strong></p><p><strong>Prisoners requiring hospitalisation following use of force, by year and establishment</strong></p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Establishment</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2010</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2011</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2012</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2013</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2014</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Altcourse</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">10</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">32</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Ashfield</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Birmingham</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">11</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">9</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Bronzefield</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">5</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Doncaster</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">10</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">10</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Dovegate</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">8</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Forest Bank</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Lowdham Grange</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">8</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Northumberland</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">4</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Oakwood</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">7</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Parc</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">8</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Peterborough</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">4</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">4</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Rye Hill</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">6</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Thameside</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">12</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>TOTAL </strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>6</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>6</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>20</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>46</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>108</strong></del></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p> </p><p><del class="ministerial">Note to tables:</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">1. “-“ denotes note applicable</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">2. HMP Ashfield re-rolled from a Young Offender Institution to adult male category C prison in May 2013.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">3. G4S took responsibility for HMP Birmingham October 2011. Figures provided are for the full calendar year.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">4. Sodexo took responsibility for HMP Northumberland in December 2013. Figures provided are for the full calendar year.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">5. HMP Oakwood opened in April 2012</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">6. HMP Thameside opened in March 2012</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">7. These figures are derived from monthly aggregated Use of Force returns from each prison.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">A new system for collecting this data was introduced in late 2013 and data recording is likely to have improved. Care should therefore be taken when comparing changes over time.</del></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial"> Establishment</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2010</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2011</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2012</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2013</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2014</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Altcourse</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Ashfield</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">3</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Birmingham</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">11</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">3</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Bronzefield</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Doncaster</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Dovegate</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">5</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Forest Bank</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Lowdham Grange</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Northumberland</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Oakwood</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">4</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Parc</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Peterborough</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Rye Hill</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Thameside</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Wolds</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>TOTAL </strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>4</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>5</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>16</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>10</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>14</strong></ins></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p> </p><p><ins class="ministerial">Note to tables: </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">1. “-“ denotes note applicable</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">2. HMP Ashfield re-rolled from a Young Offender Institution to adult male category C prison in May 2013.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">3. G4S took responsibility for HMP Birmingham October 2011. Figures provided are for the part of the year when it was operated in the private sector. </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">4. Sodexo took responsibility for HMP Northumberland in December 2013. Figures provided are for the full calendar year.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">5. HMP Oakwood opened in April 2012</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">6. HMP Thameside opened in March 2012</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">7. These figures are derived from monthly aggregated Use of Force returns from each prison.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">8. A new system for collecting this data was introduced in late 2013 and data recording is likely to have improved. Care should therefore be taken when comparing changes over time.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">9. The Wolds ceased to be operated as a private prison, returning to the public sector in July 2013. Figures provided are for the part of the year when it was operated in the private sector</ins><ins class="ministerial">.</ins><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p> </p>
answering member constituency South West Bedfordshire more like this
answering member printed Andrew Selous more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-03-23T17:46:58.67Zmore like thismore than 2015-03-23T17:46:58.67Z
question first ministerially corrected
less than 2015-03-26T15:07:01.373Zmore like thismore than 2015-03-26T15:07:01.373Z
answering member
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label Biography information for Andrew Selous more like this
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answering member constituency South West Bedfordshire more like this
answering member printed Andrew Selous more like this
answering member
1453
label Biography information for Andrew Selous more like this
tabling member
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label Biography information for Sarah Champion more like this
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registered interest false more like this
date less than 2015-03-09more like thismore than 2015-03-09
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 remove filter
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Prisons: Restraint Techniques more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many incidents of use of force there were in each private prison in England and Wales in each year since 2010. more like this
tabling member constituency Rotherham remove filter
tabling member printed
Sarah Champion more like this
uin 226654 more like this
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is ministerial correction true remove filter
date of answer less than 2015-03-23more like thismore than 2015-03-23
answer text <p>The number of violent criminals in our prisons has increased by 40% in the past 10 years. A specialised system of restraint known as control and restraint (C&amp;R) has been developed over many years to ensure that prisoners can be controlled with minimum risk of injury to staff or prisoners. C&amp;R is a system of techniques used by a team of three officers as a last resort to bring a violent or refractory prisoner under control. Wherever possible staff should avoid the use of force and de-escalate the situation by persuasion or negotiation; if the techniques are applied then they are used for as short a time as possible. Healthcare staff examine all prisoners on whom force has been used.</p><p> </p><p>Violence in prisons is not tolerated; and assaults on our hardworking staff are unacceptable. That is why we have introduced a new protocol establishing that when there are serious assaults on prison staff, the perpetrators must be prosecuted unless there is a good reason why not. This will ensure that prisoners who attack staff are prosecuted and fully brought to justice. It will mean that more of the prisoners who assault staff will spend longer behind bars.</p><p> </p><p>All prisons submit a central monthly return providing the number of times force has been used in the prison with details of any injuries sustained. Central data identifies the number of individuals injured rather than the number of incidents where an injury occurred . Use of force incidents may involve multiple prisoners, for example, force used to separate a fight. To identify the number of incidents would require manual interrogation of use of force documentation held at establishments and could only be achieved at disproportionate cost.</p><p> </p><p>Central data only records whether an injury resulted in hospitalisation or not. To identify if the injuries sustained were minor or serious would also require manual interrogation of use of force documentation held at establishments and could only be achieved at disproportionate cost.</p><p> </p><p>The table below provides details of the number of prisoners hospitalised following an incident where force was used in contracted prisons.</p><p> </p><p><strong><br /> </strong></p><p><strong>Prisoners requiring hospitalisation following use of force, by year and establishment</strong></p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Establishment</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2010</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2011</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2012</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2013</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2014</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Altcourse</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">10</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">32</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Ashfield</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Birmingham</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">11</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">9</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Bronzefield</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">5</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Doncaster</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">10</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">10</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Dovegate</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">8</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Forest Bank</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Lowdham Grange</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">8</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Northumberland</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">4</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Oakwood</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">7</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Parc</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">8</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Peterborough</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">4</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">4</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Rye Hill</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">6</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Thameside</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">12</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>TOTAL </strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>6</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>6</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>20</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>46</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>108</strong></del></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p> </p><p><del class="ministerial">Note to tables:</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">1. “-“ denotes note applicable</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">2. HMP Ashfield re-rolled from a Young Offender Institution to adult male category C prison in May 2013.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">3. G4S took responsibility for HMP Birmingham October 2011. Figures provided are for the full calendar year.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">4. Sodexo took responsibility for HMP Northumberland in December 2013. Figures provided are for the full calendar year.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">5. HMP Oakwood opened in April 2012</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">6. HMP Thameside opened in March 2012</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">7. These figures are derived from monthly aggregated Use of Force returns from each prison.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">A new system for collecting this data was introduced in late 2013 and data recording is likely to have improved. Care should therefore be taken when comparing changes over time.</del></p><p> </p><p /> <p /> <p> </p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial"> Establishment</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2010</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2011</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2012</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2013</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2014</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Altcourse</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Ashfield</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">3</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Birmingham</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">11</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">3</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Bronzefield</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Doncaster</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Dovegate</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">5</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Forest Bank</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Lowdham Grange</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Northumberland</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Oakwood</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">4</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Parc</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Peterborough</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Rye Hill</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Thameside</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Wolds</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>TOTAL </strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>4</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>5</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>16</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>10</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>14</strong></ins></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">Note to tables: </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">1. “-“ denotes note applicable</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">2. HMP Ashfield re-rolled from a Young Offender Institution to adult male category C prison in May 2013.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">3. G4S took responsibility for HMP Birmingham October 2011. Figures provided are for the part of the year when it was operated in the private sector. </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">4. Sodexo took responsibility for HMP Northumberland in December 2013. Figures provided are for the full calendar year.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">5. HMP Oakwood opened in April 2012</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">6. HMP Thameside opened in March 2012</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">7. These figures are derived from monthly aggregated Use of Force returns from each prison.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">8. A new system for collecting this data was introduced in late 2013 and data recording is likely to have improved. Care should therefore be taken when comparing changes over time.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">9. The Wolds ceased to be operated as a private prison, returning to the public sector in July 2013. Figures provided are for the part of the year when it was operated in the private sector.</ins><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p>
answering member constituency South West Bedfordshire more like this
answering member printed Andrew Selous more like this
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question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many prisoners have been transferred to an external hospital following an incident of use of force in each private prison in England and Wales in each year since 2010. more like this
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answer text <p>The number of violent criminals in our prisons has increased by 40% in the past 10 years. A specialised system of restraint known as control and restraint (C&amp;R) has been developed over many years to ensure that prisoners can be controlled with minimum risk of injury to staff or prisoners. C&amp;R is a system of techniques used by a team of three officers as a last resort to bring a violent or refractory prisoner under control. Wherever possible staff should avoid the use of force and de-escalate the situation by persuasion or negotiation; if the techniques are applied then they are used for as short a time as possible. Healthcare staff examine all prisoners on whom force has been used.</p><p> </p><p>Violence in prisons is not tolerated; and assaults on our hardworking staff are unacceptable. That is why we have introduced a new protocol establishing that when there are serious assaults on prison staff, the perpetrators must be prosecuted unless there is a good reason why not. This will ensure that prisoners who attack staff are prosecuted and fully brought to justice. It will mean that more of the prisoners who assault staff will spend longer behind bars.</p><p> </p><p>All prisons submit a central monthly return providing the number of times force has been used in the prison with details of any injuries sustained. Central data identifies the number of individuals injured rather than the number of incidents where an injury occurred . Use of force incidents may involve multiple prisoners, for example, force used to separate a fight. To identify the number of incidents would require manual interrogation of use of force documentation held at establishments and could only be achieved at disproportionate cost.</p><p> </p><p>Central data only records whether an injury resulted in hospitalisation or not. To identify if the injuries sustained were minor or serious would also require manual interrogation of use of force documentation held at establishments and could only be achieved at disproportionate cost.</p><p> </p><p>The table below provides details of the number of prisoners hospitalised following an incident where force was used in contracted prisons.</p><p> </p><p><strong><br /> </strong></p><p><strong>Prisoners requiring hospitalisation following use of force, by year and establishment</strong></p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Establishment</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2010</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2011</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2012</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2013</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2014</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Altcourse</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">10</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">32</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Ashfield</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Birmingham</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">11</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">9</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Bronzefield</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">5</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Doncaster</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">10</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">10</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Dovegate</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">8</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Forest Bank</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Lowdham Grange</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">8</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Northumberland</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">4</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Oakwood</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">7</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Parc</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">8</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Peterborough</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">4</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">4</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Rye Hill</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">2</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">3</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">6</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial">Thameside</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">-</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">0</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">1</del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial">12</del></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>TOTAL </strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>6</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>6</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>20</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>46</strong></del></p></td><td><p><del class="ministerial"><strong>108</strong></del></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p> </p><p><del class="ministerial">Note to tables:</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">1. “-“ denotes note applicable</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">2. HMP Ashfield re-rolled from a Young Offender Institution to adult male category C prison in May 2013.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">3. G4S took responsibility for HMP Birmingham October 2011. Figures provided are for the full calendar year.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">4. Sodexo took responsibility for HMP Northumberland in December 2013. Figures provided are for the full calendar year.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">5. HMP Oakwood opened in April 2012</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">6. HMP Thameside opened in March 2012</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">7. These figures are derived from monthly aggregated Use of Force returns from each prison.</del></p><p><del class="ministerial">A new system for collecting this data was introduced in late 2013 and data recording is likely to have improved. Care should therefore be taken when comparing changes over time.</del></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial"> Establishment</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2010</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2011</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2012</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2013</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2014</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Altcourse</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Ashfield</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">3</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Birmingham</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">11</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">3</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Bronzefield</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Doncaster</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Dovegate</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">5</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Forest Bank</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Lowdham Grange</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Northumberland</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Oakwood</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">4</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Parc</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Peterborough</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Rye Hill</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">2</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Thameside</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">1</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial">Wolds</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">0</ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial">-</ins></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>TOTAL </strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>4</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>5</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>16</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>10</strong></ins></p></td><td><p><ins class="ministerial"><strong>14</strong></ins></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p> </p><p><ins class="ministerial">Note to tables: </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">1. “-“ denotes note applicable</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">2. HMP Ashfield re-rolled from a Young Offender Institution to adult male category C prison in May 2013.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">3. G4S took responsibility for HMP Birmingham October 2011. Figures provided are for the part of the year when it was operated in the private sector. </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">4. Sodexo took responsibility for HMP Northumberland in December 2013. Figures provided are for the full calendar year.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">5. HMP Oakwood opened in April 2012</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">6. HMP Thameside opened in March 2012</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">7. These figures are derived from monthly aggregated Use of Force returns from each prison.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">8. A new system for collecting this data was introduced in late 2013 and data recording is likely to have improved. Care should therefore be taken when comparing changes over time.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">9. The Wolds ceased to be operated as a private prison, returning to the public sector in July 2013. Figures provided are for the part of the year when it was operated in the private sector.</ins><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p>
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