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1799454
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2025-05-01more like thismore than 2025-05-01
answering body
Ministry of Justice remove filter
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Electronic Tagging: Standards more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, pursuant to the Answer of 1 May 2025 to Question 46823, on Electronic Tagging: Standards: what recent estimate she has made of the number of offenders not tagged as a result of the Probation Service holding an incorrect address for the offender in each of the last five years. more like this
tabling member constituency Clapham and Brixton Hill more like this
tabling member printed
Bell Ribeiro-Addy more like this
uin 49784 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2025-05-07more like thismore than 2025-05-07
answer text <p>The information requested could only be obtained at disproportionate cost.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Scunthorpe more like this
answering member printed Sir Nicholas Dakin more like this
question first answered
less than 2025-05-07T15:53:34.23Zmore like thismore than 2025-05-07T15:53:34.23Z
answering member
4056
label Biography information for Nic Dakin more like this
tabling member
4764
label Biography information for Bell Ribeiro-Addy more like this
1799465
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2025-05-01more like thismore than 2025-05-01
answering body
Ministry of Justice remove filter
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Electronic Tagging: Standards more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, pursuant to the Answer of 1 May 2025 to Question 46825 on Electronic Tagging: Standards, how Serco has performed against the 14 key performance indicators at the most recent performance review. more like this
tabling member constituency Clapham and Brixton Hill more like this
tabling member printed
Bell Ribeiro-Addy more like this
uin 49785 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2025-05-08more like thismore than 2025-05-08
answer text <p>Serco has failed to meet its target performance on 11 of 14 of its KPIs. The Department continues to hold Serco to account for its failings and will not hesitate to levy contractual penalties for underperformance.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Scunthorpe more like this
answering member printed Sir Nicholas Dakin more like this
question first answered
less than 2025-05-08T14:21:48.573Zmore like thismore than 2025-05-08T14:21:48.573Z
answering member
4056
label Biography information for Nic Dakin more like this
tabling member
4764
label Biography information for Bell Ribeiro-Addy more like this
1798789
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2025-04-30more like thismore than 2025-04-30
answering body
Ministry of Justice remove filter
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading HMP/YOI Styal: Drugs more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many drug incidents were recorded in HMP/YOI Styal in each of the last five years. more like this
tabling member constituency Tatton more like this
tabling member printed
Esther McVey more like this
uin 49342 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2025-05-07more like thismore than 2025-05-07
answer text <p>Drugs pose a significant challenge in prisons, with nearly half of prisoners having an identified drug need. It is therefore crucial we have a multi-pronged approach to tackling drugs, combining security focused activity with treatment and recovery initiatives so that individuals can break the cycle of reoffending and turn their lives around.</p><p>The scale of the issue is clear, and data on drug finds in prisons has remained consistently high in recent years. We also conduct random mandatory drug testing in prisons to support our understanding of performance in establishments, although volumes are not currently consistently high enough to enable robust, publishable national data on the percentage of positive test results.</p><p>The number of incidents where drugs were found in prisons, by gender of establishment, between April 2019 to March 2024 were[1]:</p><table><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td><td colspan="5"><p>12 months ending March</p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p><em>2020</em></p></td><td><p><em>2021</em></p></td><td><p><em>2022</em></p></td><td><p><em>2023</em></p></td><td><p><em>2024</em></p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Male Establishments</p></td><td><p>20,235</p></td><td><p>18,736</p></td><td><p>16,098</p></td><td><p>13,864</p></td><td><p>20,049</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Female Establishments</p></td><td><p>1,323</p></td><td><p>1,556</p></td><td><p>1,589</p></td><td><p>790</p></td><td><p>1,009</p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>Total drug find incidents</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>21,575</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>20,295</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>17,700</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>14,724</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>21,145</strong></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p>The number of drug find incidents at HMP Styal can also be found in the statistics published in the HMPPS Annual Digest: <a href="https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.publishing.service.gov.uk%2Fmedia%2F66a100c1ce1fd0da7b592c5e%2F08_Finds_drug_type_data_tool.ods&amp;wdOrigin=BROWSELINK" target="_blank">08_Finds_drug_type_data_tool.ods</a>. It should also be noted that both “illegal drug incidents” and “drug incidents” are being interpreted as drug find incidents for this request and therefore the figures do not represent all drug-related incidents. There are other drug related incidents that can occur within prison.</p><p>To curb the supply of drugs, a range of security measures have been implemented, including tackling the use of illicit mobile phones which are the single biggest enabler of drug conveyance. These security measures include X-ray body scanners, airport-style Enhanced Gate Security (EGS), X-ray baggage scanners, detection dogs, and specialist equipment to alert staff to the potential presence of drugs on various items and materials.</p><p>Reducing supply is only part of the solution; we also need to reduce the demand for drugs. To drive down demand and support recovery, there are 85 prisons with Incentivised Substance Free Living Units. These provide a dedicated, supportive environment for any prisoner who wants to live drug-free in prison. To bring together this rehabilitative and security focused approach to tackling drug use, 54 Drug Strategy Leads in key prisons are working to ensure that local drug strategies are effectively implemented.</p><p>We also conduct targeted drug testing in custody to help keep people safe, and identify individuals who may benefit from a referral for a treatment referral, or inform disciplinary action. Governors and Independent Adjudicators (IA) have a range of options available to them to effectively manage drug taking behaviour, including awarding added days to the time spent in custody (IA only). Rehabilitative activities can also be mandated by governors as a condition of a punishment. Those prisoners who fail to comply with the rehabilitative activity will have their suspended punishment activated. The Government keeps the effectiveness of this process under review.</p><p>[1] <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hmpps-annual-digest-april-2023-to-march-2024" target="_blank">HMPPS Annual Digest, April 2023 to March 2024 - GOV.UK</a></p><p>Notes:</p><p>The figures for drug incidents have been drawn from the HMPPS Incident Reporting System. Care is taken when processing and analysing returns but the detail is subject to the inaccuracies inherent in any large scale recording system. Although shown to the last case, the figures may not be accurate to that level:</p><p>(1) Figures include incidents at HMPPS operated Immigration Removal Centres and within the youth estate.</p><p>(2) It is important to consider with incidents of finds in prisons that an increase in numbers may be as a result of more items being found, as opposed to more items being present. However, any increase in finds is not necessarily attributable to any one particular security counter-measure.</p><p>(3) The sum of drug find incidents in Male and Female establishments do not equal the total number incidents as there are drug finds from other locations. This includes escort areas and Medway secure training centre, which are included in the total number of drug find incidents.</p><p>(4) There was a change in the way finds were recorded in March 2022. The reason for the change was to make it easier for prisons to record incidents where multiple items were found within one incident. Each find incident now enables the prisons to select single or multiple types of find initially. For incidents with only a single type of find, the prisons select the type of find from a drop down list, and can now input this information much quicker. For incidents with multiple types of find, it should still be easier for prisons to input this information, so may result in small increases in some of the individual finds categories.</p><p>(5) The inclusion of new categories and changes to some of the existing categories mean that finds incidents prior to March 2022 are not directly comparable with later figures, so caution needs to be taken when interpreting changes over the years.</p>
answering member constituency Scunthorpe more like this
answering member printed Sir Nicholas Dakin more like this
grouped question UIN
48894 more like this
48895 more like this
48896 more like this
48897 more like this
48898 more like this
question first answered
less than 2025-05-07T16:08:19.613Zmore like thismore than 2025-05-07T16:08:19.613Z
answering member
4056
label Biography information for Nic Dakin more like this
tabling member
4084
label Biography information for Esther McVey more like this
1799116
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2025-04-30more like thismore than 2025-04-30
answering body
Ministry of Justice remove filter
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Ministry of Justice: ICT more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many staff in her Department have been issued with a (a) laptop, (b) phone and (c) both. more like this
tabling member constituency Huntingdon more like this
tabling member printed
Ben Obese-Jecty more like this
uin 49536 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2025-05-06more like thismore than 2025-05-06
answer text <p>Please find the figures for the number of phones, laptops and both issued by the Department. Please note this data does not include missing devices:</p><table><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p><strong>Laptop </strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Phone </strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Both </strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>MOJ </strong></p></td><td><p>9995</p></td><td><p>12009</p></td><td><p>7338</p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>HMCTS </strong></p></td><td><p>15763</p></td><td><p>6320</p></td><td><p>5435</p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>HMPPS </strong></p></td><td><p>34707</p></td><td><p>31485</p></td><td><p>23759</p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>ALBs </strong></p></td><td><p>6296</p></td><td><p>3405</p></td><td><p>2535</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p>The Ministry of Justice is a large operational department with over 90,000 employees. The laptops and phones issued are always encrypted.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Pontypridd more like this
answering member printed Alex Davies-Jones more like this
question first answered
less than 2025-05-06T12:18:23.023Zmore like thismore than 2025-05-06T12:18:23.023Z
answering member
4849
label Biography information for Alex Davies-Jones more like this
tabling member 5089
1798211
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2025-04-29more like thismore than 2025-04-29
answering body
Ministry of Justice remove filter
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Prisons: Overcrowding more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what assessment she has made of trends in the level of overcrowding in prisons. more like this
tabling member constituency Strangford more like this
tabling member printed
Jim Shannon more like this
uin 48916 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2025-05-08more like thismore than 2025-05-08
answer text <p>This Government inherited a prisons system in crisis and took immediate action to ensure it did not collapse. However, SDS40 was not a long term solution and we are once again at over 99% capacity. Recently, we only had 732 places left across the whole of the adult male estate.</p><p>Figures and analysis relating to the level of crowding in prisons is published annually in the <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hmpps-annual-digest-april-2023-to-march-2024" target="_blank">HMPPS Digest</a>.</p><p>This document states that in the 12-months to March 2024, the crowding rate at establishments across England and Wales was 23.6%, up from 22.9% in the previous 12-month period. <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66a0ffc5ab418ab055592c75/02_Crowding.ods" target="_blank">Table 2</a>, accompanying the Digest, provides a time series of crowding information back to 1999. The <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/announcements/hmpps-annual-digest-april-2024-to-march-2025" target="_blank">2024/25 Digest</a> will be published on 31 July 2025.</p><p> </p>
answering member constituency Scunthorpe more like this
answering member printed Sir Nicholas Dakin more like this
question first answered
less than 2025-05-08T16:14:51.437Zmore like thismore than 2025-05-08T16:14:51.437Z
answering member
4056
label Biography information for Nic Dakin more like this
tabling member
4131
label Biography information for Jim Shannon more like this
1798212
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2025-04-29more like thismore than 2025-04-29
answering body
Ministry of Justice remove filter
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Courts: Police more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what steps she is taking to improve relationships between courts and local police. more like this
tabling member constituency Strangford more like this
tabling member printed
Jim Shannon more like this
uin 48917 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2025-05-08more like thismore than 2025-05-08
answer text <p>Close working between partners is vital to the smooth running of the Criminal Justice System. At a local level, the 41 Local Criminal Justice Boards across England and Wales bring together partners from across the Criminal Justice System, including courts and local police. We support these boards in a number of ways, including through the provision of guidance and facilitating engagement between boards.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Pontypridd more like this
answering member printed Alex Davies-Jones more like this
question first answered
less than 2025-05-08T15:38:09.843Zmore like thismore than 2025-05-08T15:38:09.843Z
answering member
4849
label Biography information for Alex Davies-Jones more like this
tabling member
4131
label Biography information for Jim Shannon more like this
1798215
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2025-04-29more like thismore than 2025-04-29
answering body
Ministry of Justice remove filter
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Proscribed Organisations: Legal Aid Scheme more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, whether her Department has made an assessment of the potential merits of bringing forward legislative proposals to reduce taxpayer funding of legal representation of proscribed (a) people and (b) organisations. more like this
tabling member constituency Fareham and Waterlooville more like this
tabling member printed
Suella Braverman more like this
uin 48985 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2025-05-07more like thismore than 2025-05-07
answer text <p>This Government has made no assessment of limiting legal aid to members of proscribed organisations but will keep the matter under review.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Pontypridd more like this
answering member printed Alex Davies-Jones more like this
question first answered
less than 2025-05-07T09:43:44.707Zmore like thismore than 2025-05-07T09:43:44.707Z
answering member
4849
label Biography information for Alex Davies-Jones more like this
tabling member
4475
label Biography information for Suella Braverman more like this
1798222
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2025-04-29more like thismore than 2025-04-29
answering body
Ministry of Justice remove filter
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Offenders: Rehabilitation more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what steps she is taking to ensure that people released under early-release schemes are prepared to return to society. more like this
tabling member constituency Strangford more like this
tabling member printed
Jim Shannon more like this
uin 48918 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2025-05-07more like thismore than 2025-05-07
answer text <p>This Government inherited prisons days from collapse. We had no choice but to take decisive action to stop our prisons overflowing and keep the public safe. Offenders released on licence are subject to strict conditions, such as curfews and exclusion zones, and face being returned to prison if they break the rules.</p><p>There is robust and varied preparation work that probation undertakes following a detailed assessment of individual needs, to ensure an effective resettlement into the community. This includes support with finding work, with Prison Employment Leads, Employment Hubs, ID and Banking Administrators and Employment Advisory Boards in every resettlement prison.</p><p>Release planning may also include temporary accommodation for those at risk of homelessness, with a transitional accommodation service which provides prison leavers at risk of homelessness and who are supervised by probation with up to 12 weeks of accommodation.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Scunthorpe more like this
answering member printed Sir Nicholas Dakin more like this
question first answered
less than 2025-05-07T16:10:11.753Zmore like thismore than 2025-05-07T16:10:11.753Z
answering member
4056
label Biography information for Nic Dakin more like this
tabling member
4131
label Biography information for Jim Shannon more like this
1798300
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2025-04-29more like thismore than 2025-04-29
answering body
Ministry of Justice remove filter
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading HMP Styal: Staff more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what recent assessment she has made of the adequacy of staffing levels at HMP Styal. more like this
tabling member constituency Tatton more like this
tabling member printed
Esther McVey more like this
uin 48893 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2025-05-07more like thismore than 2025-05-07
answer text <p>The number of prison officers at Bands 3-5 at HMP Styal is currently 97% of the target staffing figure. Recruitment is in progress to fill the vacant positions.</p><p>Prison staffing models remain under regular review. This includes looking at elements of current staffing arrangements at HMP Styal, to assess how effectively they meet operational needs.</p><p>Across the prison estate as a whole, the staffing position has greatly improved. At prisons where recruitment challenges remain, we continue to offer an additional supplement to attract new prison officers.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Scunthorpe more like this
answering member printed Sir Nicholas Dakin more like this
question first answered
less than 2025-05-07T16:03:46.89Zmore like thismore than 2025-05-07T16:03:46.89Z
answering member
4056
label Biography information for Nic Dakin more like this
tabling member
4084
label Biography information for Esther McVey more like this
1798302
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2025-04-29more like thismore than 2025-04-29
answering body
Ministry of Justice remove filter
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Prisons: Drugs more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many illegal drug incidents were recorded in prisons by the gender of the prisoner in each of the last five years. more like this
tabling member constituency Tatton more like this
tabling member printed
Esther McVey more like this
uin 48894 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2025-05-07more like thismore than 2025-05-07
answer text <p>Drugs pose a significant challenge in prisons, with nearly half of prisoners having an identified drug need. It is therefore crucial we have a multi-pronged approach to tackling drugs, combining security focused activity with treatment and recovery initiatives so that individuals can break the cycle of reoffending and turn their lives around.</p><p>The scale of the issue is clear, and data on drug finds in prisons has remained consistently high in recent years. We also conduct random mandatory drug testing in prisons to support our understanding of performance in establishments, although volumes are not currently consistently high enough to enable robust, publishable national data on the percentage of positive test results.</p><p>The number of incidents where drugs were found in prisons, by gender of establishment, between April 2019 to March 2024 were[1]:</p><table><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td><td colspan="5"><p>12 months ending March</p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p><em>2020</em></p></td><td><p><em>2021</em></p></td><td><p><em>2022</em></p></td><td><p><em>2023</em></p></td><td><p><em>2024</em></p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Male Establishments</p></td><td><p>20,235</p></td><td><p>18,736</p></td><td><p>16,098</p></td><td><p>13,864</p></td><td><p>20,049</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Female Establishments</p></td><td><p>1,323</p></td><td><p>1,556</p></td><td><p>1,589</p></td><td><p>790</p></td><td><p>1,009</p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>Total drug find incidents</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>21,575</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>20,295</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>17,700</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>14,724</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>21,145</strong></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p>The number of drug find incidents at HMP Styal can also be found in the statistics published in the HMPPS Annual Digest: <a href="https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.publishing.service.gov.uk%2Fmedia%2F66a100c1ce1fd0da7b592c5e%2F08_Finds_drug_type_data_tool.ods&amp;wdOrigin=BROWSELINK" target="_blank">08_Finds_drug_type_data_tool.ods</a>. It should also be noted that both “illegal drug incidents” and “drug incidents” are being interpreted as drug find incidents for this request and therefore the figures do not represent all drug-related incidents. There are other drug related incidents that can occur within prison.</p><p>To curb the supply of drugs, a range of security measures have been implemented, including tackling the use of illicit mobile phones which are the single biggest enabler of drug conveyance. These security measures include X-ray body scanners, airport-style Enhanced Gate Security (EGS), X-ray baggage scanners, detection dogs, and specialist equipment to alert staff to the potential presence of drugs on various items and materials.</p><p>Reducing supply is only part of the solution; we also need to reduce the demand for drugs. To drive down demand and support recovery, there are 85 prisons with Incentivised Substance Free Living Units. These provide a dedicated, supportive environment for any prisoner who wants to live drug-free in prison. To bring together this rehabilitative and security focused approach to tackling drug use, 54 Drug Strategy Leads in key prisons are working to ensure that local drug strategies are effectively implemented.</p><p>We also conduct targeted drug testing in custody to help keep people safe, and identify individuals who may benefit from a referral for a treatment referral, or inform disciplinary action. Governors and Independent Adjudicators (IA) have a range of options available to them to effectively manage drug taking behaviour, including awarding added days to the time spent in custody (IA only). Rehabilitative activities can also be mandated by governors as a condition of a punishment. Those prisoners who fail to comply with the rehabilitative activity will have their suspended punishment activated. The Government keeps the effectiveness of this process under review.</p><p>[1] <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hmpps-annual-digest-april-2023-to-march-2024" target="_blank">HMPPS Annual Digest, April 2023 to March 2024 - GOV.UK</a></p><p>Notes:</p><p>The figures for drug incidents have been drawn from the HMPPS Incident Reporting System. Care is taken when processing and analysing returns but the detail is subject to the inaccuracies inherent in any large scale recording system. Although shown to the last case, the figures may not be accurate to that level:</p><p>(1) Figures include incidents at HMPPS operated Immigration Removal Centres and within the youth estate.</p><p>(2) It is important to consider with incidents of finds in prisons that an increase in numbers may be as a result of more items being found, as opposed to more items being present. However, any increase in finds is not necessarily attributable to any one particular security counter-measure.</p><p>(3) The sum of drug find incidents in Male and Female establishments do not equal the total number incidents as there are drug finds from other locations. This includes escort areas and Medway secure training centre, which are included in the total number of drug find incidents.</p><p>(4) There was a change in the way finds were recorded in March 2022. The reason for the change was to make it easier for prisons to record incidents where multiple items were found within one incident. Each find incident now enables the prisons to select single or multiple types of find initially. For incidents with only a single type of find, the prisons select the type of find from a drop down list, and can now input this information much quicker. For incidents with multiple types of find, it should still be easier for prisons to input this information, so may result in small increases in some of the individual finds categories.</p><p>(5) The inclusion of new categories and changes to some of the existing categories mean that finds incidents prior to March 2022 are not directly comparable with later figures, so caution needs to be taken when interpreting changes over the years.</p>
answering member constituency Scunthorpe more like this
answering member printed Sir Nicholas Dakin more like this
grouped question UIN
48895 more like this
48896 more like this
48897 more like this
48898 more like this
49342 more like this
question first answered
less than 2025-05-07T16:08:19.457Zmore like thismore than 2025-05-07T16:08:19.457Z
answering member
4056
label Biography information for Nic Dakin more like this
tabling member
4084
label Biography information for Esther McVey more like this