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386157
registered interest false more like this
date remove maximum value filtermore like thismore than 2015-06-29
answering body
Ministry of Defence more like this
answering dept id 11 more like this
answering dept short name Defence more like this
answering dept sort name Defence remove filter
hansard heading Animal Experiments: Primates more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to the Answer of 25 June 2015 to Question 3597, what the reason was for each of the 67 experiments conducted on non-human primates in 2014. more like this
tabling member constituency North Durham more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Kevan Jones more like this
uin 4534 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2015-07-02more like thismore than 2015-07-02
answer text <p>In common with other animal species used, the following list encapsulates categories of use: regulatory testing; medical countermeasures to biological agents; medical countermeasures to chemical agents; provision of tissue; hazard assessment; treatment and decontamination of chemical agents; medical management and surgical care; detection and identification of biological weapons.</p><p>All procedures were on just the one species, namely the Common Marmoset (Callithrix jacchus).</p><p>Dstl Porton Down conducts less than half of one per cent of the animal experimentation carried out in the UK.</p><p>Dstl is proud of its work to develop and create battle-winning technology and protection equipment for UK Forces and Government through the best use of science and technology. The remit for Dstl to provide safe and effective protective measures for the UK and its Armed Forces against the threat posed by chemical and biological weapons and to enhance the treatment of conventional casualties on the battlefield, could not currently be achieved without the use of animals.</p><p>Each procedure is undertaken in strict accordance with the terms of the Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act 1986; and Dstl fully embraces the principles of the 3Rs (Replacement, Reduction and Refinement). Dstl Porton Down is licensed to conduct research involving animals by the Home Office.<strong><br></strong></p><p> </p>
answering member constituency Ludlow remove filter
answering member printed Mr Philip Dunne more like this
grouped question UIN 4653 more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-07-02T15:01:58.343Zmore like thismore than 2015-07-02T15:01:58.343Z
answering member
1542
label Biography information for Philip Dunne more like this
tabling member
1438
label Biography information for Mr Kevan Jones more like this
386238
registered interest false more like this
date remove maximum value filtermore like thismore than 2015-06-29
answering body
Ministry of Defence more like this
answering dept id 11 more like this
answering dept short name Defence more like this
answering dept sort name Defence remove filter
hansard heading A400M Aircraft more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what outstanding safety issues there are relating to the A400m Atlas aircraft; and if he will make a statement. more like this
tabling member constituency North Durham more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Kevan Jones more like this
uin 4554 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2015-07-06more like thismore than 2015-07-06
answer text <p>The A400M Atlas aircraft is being procured as part of a six nation European collaborative programme, and the aircraft type has been certified by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). The granting of the Type Certificate by EASA in March 2013 was the culmination of the analysis and assessment of detailed evidence from the multinational flight trials programme and a range of other sources. Separately, an independent Certification and Qualification Organization, established by the partner nations, reviews all of the certification evidence and provides additional military certification expertise.</p><p>Prior to entry into service with the RAF, the UK Release to Service Authority (which is headed by the Assistant Chief of the Air Staff) endorsed the Release to Service (RTS) for the UK Atlas aircraft. The aircraft RTS is granted based on a number of recommendations provided by a range of competent individuals and bodies, including the Military Aviation Authority, the A400M Type Airworthiness Authority and independent experts. These recommendations also include the Safety Case (endorsed by the Duty Holder) which evaluates the relevant safety risks to establish the parameters for the safe operation of the aircraft. The RTS is part of the overall Aircraft Document Set for the UK A400M Atlas which stipulates, amongst other things, the bounds within which the aircraft should be operated and how it should be maintained.</p><p>Following the tragic loss on 9 May 2015 of a pre-delivery A400M aircraft, and in accordance with its continuing airworthiness obligations as the aircraft Design Organization and Type Certificate holder, Airbus Defence and Space has undertaken extensive investigations to establish the cause of the accident. As a result of this work the cause is now understood, and mitigation actions have been put in place to prevent a recurrence. These measures have been endorsed by the relevant certification bodies and were also considered, along with other evidence, by the RAF Operational Duty Holder (AOC 2 Gp) when the decision to resume RAF A400M flying was taken on 15 June 2015.</p><p>On this basis the Ministry of Defence is satisfied that there are no safety issues, and that the risks associated with operating A400M are fully consistent with its certified safety requirements - for the basic airframe and engine these are consistent with a civilian airliner - and that the platform is not subject to intolerable or unmanaged safety issues.</p>
answering member constituency Ludlow remove filter
answering member printed Mr Philip Dunne more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-07-06T15:45:10.83Zmore like thismore than 2015-07-06T15:45:10.83Z
answering member
1542
label Biography information for Philip Dunne more like this
tabling member
1438
label Biography information for Mr Kevan Jones more like this
386244
registered interest false more like this
date remove maximum value filtermore like thismore than 2015-06-29
answering body
Ministry of Defence more like this
answering dept id 11 more like this
answering dept short name Defence more like this
answering dept sort name Defence remove filter
hansard heading A400M Aircraft more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, how many safety tests of the A400m Atlas aircraft have been undertaken by his Department to date; and how many further such tests are scheduled over the next year. more like this
tabling member constituency North Durham more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Kevan Jones more like this
uin 4583 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2015-07-02more like thismore than 2015-07-02
answer text <p>The A400M development and production contract requires that Airbus undertake a comprehensive flight test programme to validate the safety of the A400M aircraft. The results of this test programme make a pivotal contribution to the safety certification of the A400M by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and the A400M partner nations' certification and qualification organisation. Although the Ministry of Defence (MOD) does not directly undertake A400M flight testing, MOD personnel and subject matter experts scrutinise and, with counterparts from other partner nations, confirm the validity of certification evidence, including the robustness of flight test evidence in supporting the A400M safety case.</p><p>In addition to the scope of the A400M development programme, there are a number of dedicated UK capabilities, such as UK parachutes and aerial delivery systems, which need to be cleared from a safety perspective on A400M. Consequently, the UK will commence its own testing of these dedicated capabilities, starting at the end of July 2015 and continuing until March 2018, to clear their release to service.</p>
answering member constituency Ludlow remove filter
answering member printed Mr Philip Dunne more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-07-02T15:02:36.113Zmore like thismore than 2015-07-02T15:02:36.113Z
answering member
1542
label Biography information for Philip Dunne more like this
tabling member
1438
label Biography information for Mr Kevan Jones more like this
386356
registered interest false more like this
date remove maximum value filtermore like thismore than 2015-06-29
answering body
Ministry of Defence more like this
answering dept id 11 more like this
answering dept short name Defence more like this
answering dept sort name Defence remove filter
hansard heading Animal Experiments: Primates more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to the Answer of 25 June 2015 to Question 3596, which specific species of non-human primates have been experimented on by his Department in 2014; and how many such experiments have been performed on each such species. more like this
tabling member constituency North Durham more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Kevan Jones more like this
uin 4653 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2015-07-02more like thismore than 2015-07-02
answer text <p>In common with other animal species used, the following list encapsulates categories of use: regulatory testing; medical countermeasures to biological agents; medical countermeasures to chemical agents; provision of tissue; hazard assessment; treatment and decontamination of chemical agents; medical management and surgical care; detection and identification of biological weapons.</p><p>All procedures were on just the one species, namely the Common Marmoset (Callithrix jacchus).</p><p>Dstl Porton Down conducts less than half of one per cent of the animal experimentation carried out in the UK.</p><p>Dstl is proud of its work to develop and create battle-winning technology and protection equipment for UK Forces and Government through the best use of science and technology. The remit for Dstl to provide safe and effective protective measures for the UK and its Armed Forces against the threat posed by chemical and biological weapons and to enhance the treatment of conventional casualties on the battlefield, could not currently be achieved without the use of animals.</p><p>Each procedure is undertaken in strict accordance with the terms of the Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act 1986; and Dstl fully embraces the principles of the 3Rs (Replacement, Reduction and Refinement). Dstl Porton Down is licensed to conduct research involving animals by the Home Office.<strong><br></strong></p><p> </p>
answering member constituency Ludlow remove filter
answering member printed Mr Philip Dunne more like this
grouped question UIN 4534 more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-07-02T15:01:58.453Zmore like thismore than 2015-07-02T15:01:58.453Z
answering member
1542
label Biography information for Philip Dunne more like this
tabling member
1438
label Biography information for Mr Kevan Jones more like this
385784
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2015-06-25more like thismore than 2015-06-25
answering body
Ministry of Defence more like this
answering dept id 11 more like this
answering dept short name Defence more like this
answering dept sort name Defence remove filter
hansard heading Aircraft Carriers: F-35 Aircraft more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, whether the design of the Queen Elizabeth Class carrier decks has had to be adjusted to accommodate the heat produced by the F-35B lift fans. more like this
tabling member constituency Denton and Reddish more like this
tabling member printed
Andrew Gwynne more like this
uin 4370 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2015-07-02more like thismore than 2015-07-02
answer text <p>I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave on 12 June 2014 to Question 199115 to the hon. Member for Moray (Mr Robertson).</p> more like this
answering member constituency Ludlow remove filter
answering member printed Mr Philip Dunne more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-07-02T15:05:18.383Zmore like thismore than 2015-07-02T15:05:18.383Z
answering member
1542
label Biography information for Philip Dunne more like this
attachment
1
file name 20140612 - Q n A extract on Joint Strike Fighter Aircraft.doc more like this
title 199115 - QnA extract on JSF Aircraft more like this
tabling member
1506
label Biography information for Andrew Gwynne more like this
385785
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2015-06-25more like thismore than 2015-06-25
answering body
Ministry of Defence more like this
answering dept id 11 more like this
answering dept short name Defence more like this
answering dept sort name Defence remove filter
hansard heading Armed Forces: Dogs more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to the Answer of 22 June 2015 to Question 2717, in which location each of the nine military working dogs euthanized for aged - welfare reasons in September 2014 last worked. more like this
tabling member constituency North Durham more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Kevan Jones more like this
uin 4383 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2015-06-30more like thismore than 2015-06-30
answer text <p>This data is not held electronically and it is not reasonably practical to provide this information.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Ludlow remove filter
answering member printed Mr Philip Dunne more like this
grouped question UIN 4282 more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-06-30T16:49:56.613Zmore like thismore than 2015-06-30T16:49:56.613Z
answering member
1542
label Biography information for Philip Dunne more like this
tabling member
1438
label Biography information for Mr Kevan Jones more like this
385786
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2015-06-25more like thismore than 2015-06-25
answering body
Ministry of Defence more like this
answering dept id 11 more like this
answering dept short name Defence more like this
answering dept sort name Defence remove filter
hansard heading Pigs more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, how many pigs have been shot by his Department in order to replicate battlefield injuries in each year since 2010. more like this
tabling member constituency North Durham more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Kevan Jones more like this
uin 4348 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2015-06-30more like thismore than 2015-06-30
answer text <p>Twice a year, members of the UK Defence Medical Services attend the two-day Exercise Surgical Training courses in Denmark, in which live but fully anaesthetised pigs are shot with wounds, which are then treated in real-time exercises by surgical teams, then humanely put down .</p><p>This training is essential to ensure our medical personnel are ready to carry out potentially life-saving surgery on battle casualties with serious bullet and blast wounds. We use mannequin simulators for as much surgical training as possible, but none of those currently available are sophisticated enough to replicate control of real-time internal haemorrhage from traumatic combat injury.</p><p>During each two-day course, UK surgical teams will operate on two pigs (one on each day), making a total of four per year. In each year since 2010, the numbers shot are therefore as follows:</p><p>Year Number</p><p>2010 4</p><p>2011 4</p><p>2012 4</p><p>2013 4</p><p>2014 4</p><p>2015 2 (as at 26 June)</p> more like this
answering member constituency Ludlow remove filter
answering member printed Mr Philip Dunne more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-06-30T16:59:52.95Zmore like thismore than 2015-06-30T16:59:52.95Z
answering member
1542
label Biography information for Philip Dunne more like this
tabling member
1438
label Biography information for Mr Kevan Jones more like this
385792
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2015-06-25more like thismore than 2015-06-25
answering body
Ministry of Defence more like this
answering dept id 11 more like this
answering dept short name Defence more like this
answering dept sort name Defence remove filter
hansard heading Armed Forces: Firearms more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to the Answer of 23 June 2015 to Question 2466, on armed forces: firearms how many of those firearms have been recovered. more like this
tabling member constituency Denton and Reddish more like this
tabling member printed
Andrew Gwynne more like this
uin 4296 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2015-07-03more like thismore than 2015-07-03
answer text <p>The Ministry of Defence (MOD) takes the security of firearms and ammunition very seriously and has robust procedures to deter and prevent loss and theft. Given the dynamic nature of military training, exercises, and operations it is impossible to mitigate against all risk. Nevertheless, all losses and thefts of firearms and ammunition are fully and rigorously investigated, in partnership, as necessary, with civilian police forces.</p><p> </p><p>The numbers lost and stolen over the past two years are shown below. These represent a tiny fraction of around 360,000 firearms that the MOD owns and operates. In drafting the answer to these questions, it has become apparent that the answer to Question 2466 was incorrect, overstating the losses and thefts in the UK. The information has been corrected in this answer.</p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><strong>Year</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Status</strong></p></td><td colspan="4"><p><strong>UK</strong></p></td><td colspan="3"><p><strong>Operations Overseas</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td rowspan="4"><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>2013</strong></p></td><td> </td><td><p><strong>Lost/Accounted for</strong></p></td><td colspan="3"><p><strong>Stolen</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Lost on Combat Ops</strong></p></td><td colspan="2"><p><strong>Stolen</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Recovered</p></td><td><p>1 x 40mm Grenade Gun</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>-</p></td><td><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p><p>1 x 9mm Sig Sauer Pistol</p></td><td colspan="2"><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Lost at sea</p></td><td><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p><p>1 x 9mm Sig Sauer Pistol</p><p>1 x MP5 Pistol</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>-</p></td><td> </td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr><tr><td><p>Not Recovered</p></td><td><p>2 x SA80 Rifle</p><p>2 x Electronic Range Rifles</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>1 x Deactivated 9mm Tokarev pistol</p><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p><p> </p></td><td><p>1 x M4 Rifle</p></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><p><strong>Total</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>8</strong></p></td><td colspan="3"><p><strong>2</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>3</strong></p></td><td colspan="2"><p><strong>1</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan="9"> </td></tr><tr><td rowspan="3"><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>2014</strong></p></td><td><p>Recovered</p><p> </p></td><td colspan="2"><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p></td><td><p>-</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>-</p></td><td><p>-</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Lost at Sea</p></td><td colspan="2"><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p><p>1 x 9mm Sig Sauer Pistol</p></td><td><p>-</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>-</p></td><td><p>-</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Not recovered</p></td><td colspan="2"><p>1 x Weapon Sight</p></td><td><p>2 x Deactivated</p><p>AK47 Rifle</p><p>1 x Replica Machine Gun</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>-</p></td><td><p>-</p></td></tr><tr><td> </td><td><p><strong>Total</strong></p></td><td colspan="2"><p><strong>4</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>3</strong></p></td><td colspan="3"><p><strong>0</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>0</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>
answering member constituency Ludlow remove filter
answering member printed Mr Philip Dunne more like this
grouped question UIN
4274 more like this
4297 more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-07-03T09:46:09.397Zmore like thismore than 2015-07-03T09:46:09.397Z
answering member
1542
label Biography information for Philip Dunne more like this
tabling member
1506
label Biography information for Andrew Gwynne more like this
385793
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2015-06-25more like thismore than 2015-06-25
answering body
Ministry of Defence more like this
answering dept id 11 more like this
answering dept short name Defence more like this
answering dept sort name Defence remove filter
hansard heading Armed Forces: Firearms more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to the Answer of 23 June 2015 to Question 2466, on armed forces: firearms how many of those weapons were (a) handguns, (b) rifles and (c) automatic weapons. more like this
tabling member constituency Denton and Reddish more like this
tabling member printed
Andrew Gwynne more like this
uin 4297 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2015-07-03more like thismore than 2015-07-03
answer text <p>The Ministry of Defence (MOD) takes the security of firearms and ammunition very seriously and has robust procedures to deter and prevent loss and theft. Given the dynamic nature of military training, exercises, and operations it is impossible to mitigate against all risk. Nevertheless, all losses and thefts of firearms and ammunition are fully and rigorously investigated, in partnership, as necessary, with civilian police forces.</p><p> </p><p>The numbers lost and stolen over the past two years are shown below. These represent a tiny fraction of around 360,000 firearms that the MOD owns and operates. In drafting the answer to these questions, it has become apparent that the answer to Question 2466 was incorrect, overstating the losses and thefts in the UK. The information has been corrected in this answer.</p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><strong>Year</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Status</strong></p></td><td colspan="4"><p><strong>UK</strong></p></td><td colspan="3"><p><strong>Operations Overseas</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td rowspan="4"><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>2013</strong></p></td><td> </td><td><p><strong>Lost/Accounted for</strong></p></td><td colspan="3"><p><strong>Stolen</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Lost on Combat Ops</strong></p></td><td colspan="2"><p><strong>Stolen</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Recovered</p></td><td><p>1 x 40mm Grenade Gun</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>-</p></td><td><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p><p>1 x 9mm Sig Sauer Pistol</p></td><td colspan="2"><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Lost at sea</p></td><td><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p><p>1 x 9mm Sig Sauer Pistol</p><p>1 x MP5 Pistol</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>-</p></td><td> </td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr><tr><td><p>Not Recovered</p></td><td><p>2 x SA80 Rifle</p><p>2 x Electronic Range Rifles</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>1 x Deactivated 9mm Tokarev pistol</p><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p><p> </p></td><td><p>1 x M4 Rifle</p></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><p><strong>Total</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>8</strong></p></td><td colspan="3"><p><strong>2</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>3</strong></p></td><td colspan="2"><p><strong>1</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan="9"> </td></tr><tr><td rowspan="3"><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>2014</strong></p></td><td><p>Recovered</p><p> </p></td><td colspan="2"><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p></td><td><p>-</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>-</p></td><td><p>-</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Lost at Sea</p></td><td colspan="2"><p>1 x SA80 Rifle</p><p>1 x 9mm Sig Sauer Pistol</p></td><td><p>-</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>-</p></td><td><p>-</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Not recovered</p></td><td colspan="2"><p>1 x Weapon Sight</p></td><td><p>2 x Deactivated</p><p>AK47 Rifle</p><p>1 x Replica Machine Gun</p></td><td colspan="3"><p>-</p></td><td><p>-</p></td></tr><tr><td> </td><td><p><strong>Total</strong></p></td><td colspan="2"><p><strong>4</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>3</strong></p></td><td colspan="3"><p><strong>0</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>0</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>
answering member constituency Ludlow remove filter
answering member printed Mr Philip Dunne more like this
grouped question UIN
4274 more like this
4296 more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-07-03T09:46:10.443Zmore like thismore than 2015-07-03T09:46:10.443Z
answering member
1542
label Biography information for Philip Dunne more like this
tabling member
1506
label Biography information for Andrew Gwynne more like this
385795
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2015-06-25more like thismore than 2015-06-25
answering body
Ministry of Defence more like this
answering dept id 11 more like this
answering dept short name Defence more like this
answering dept sort name Defence remove filter
hansard heading Armed Forces: Dogs more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to the Answer of 22 June 2015 to Question 2717, in which locations each of the dogs euthanised on the grounds of aged-welfare in September 2014 were euthanised. more like this
tabling member constituency North Durham more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Kevan Jones more like this
uin 4282 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2015-06-30more like thismore than 2015-06-30
answer text <p>This data is not held electronically and it is not reasonably practical to provide this information.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Ludlow remove filter
answering member printed Mr Philip Dunne more like this
grouped question UIN 4383 more like this
question first answered
less than 2015-06-30T16:49:56.69Zmore like thismore than 2015-06-30T16:49:56.69Z
answering member
1542
label Biography information for Philip Dunne more like this
tabling member
1438
label Biography information for Mr Kevan Jones more like this