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registered interest false more like this
date less than 2018-11-16more like thismore than 2018-11-16
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Violent and Sex Offender Register: Cross Border Cooperation more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons remove filter
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what liaison arrangements exist between the multi-agency public protection arrangements (MAPPA) framework in England and Wales and the MAPPA frameworks in (a) Scotland and (b) Northern Ireland. more like this
tabling member constituency East Londonderry more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Gregory Campbell more like this
uin 192102 more like this
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is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2018-11-21more like thismore than 2018-11-21
answer text <p>Multi-Agency Public Protection Arrangements (MAPPA) are separate, distinct frameworks in England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. However, practitioners from Scotland and Northern Ireland are invited to attend MAPPA Improvement Group meetings in England and Wales and may join the MAPPA website (a secure online tool to facilitate policy announcements, consultation and communication between MAPPA practitioners). The Police National Lead for MAPPA in England and Wales visited colleagues in Scotland in May 2017 and Northern Ireland in October 2018.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
question first answered
less than 2018-11-21T14:56:56.387Zmore like thismore than 2018-11-21T14:56:56.387Z
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart remove filter
tabling member
1409
label Biography information for Mr Gregory Campbell more like this
1008473
registered interest true more like this
date less than 2018-11-16more like thismore than 2018-11-16
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Prisons: Drugs more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons remove filter
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to paragraph 77 on page 27 of the report of the Health and Social Care Committee Prison Health, published on 1 November 2018, HC 963, what steps he plans to take to prevent prisoners from developing a problem with illicit drugs while in prison. more like this
tabling member constituency Barnsley Central more like this
tabling member printed
Dan Jarvis more like this
uin 192123 more like this
answer
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is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2018-11-21more like thismore than 2018-11-21
answer text <p>I am grateful for the time that the Committee has spent looking at prison healthcare. We are considering carefully the Committee’s recommendations and will respond in due course. Tackling drugs is vital to ensure safe and productive prison environments and this includes preventing prisoners developing substance misuse issues.</p><p>To do this, we have formed a Drugs Taskforce, working with law enforcement and health partners across government. The Taskforce is developing a national drugs strategy, underpinned by advice and guidance that will support the whole of the estate to restrict supply, reduce demand and build recovery. Restricting access to illicit drugs in prison is crucial to preventing substance misuse. We are working with the police to catch and convict criminals who smuggle contraband into prisons, and exploring additional security measures and new technology to stop these incursions. Reducing demand for drugs in prison also requires us to get the incentives right. We have developed the concept of ‘Incentivised Substance Free Living’, where prisoners who can demonstrate – through regular compact-based and random mandatory testing – that they are not misusing drugs can experience better living conditions. This will support prisoners to make good decisions and prevent them developing issues with substance misuse. We are also testing innovative approaches through our £9 million joint Ministry of Justice and Department of Health and Social Care Drug Recovery Prison pilot at HMP Holme House.</p><p> </p>
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
question first answered
less than 2018-11-21T17:25:26.633Zmore like thismore than 2018-11-21T17:25:26.633Z
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart remove filter
tabling member
4243
label Biography information for Dan Jarvis more like this
1007761
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2018-11-15more like thismore than 2018-11-15
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Crimes of Violence: Sentencing more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons remove filter
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, if he will review the sentencing guidelines for offences of assault against people delivering front line public services. more like this
tabling member constituency East Londonderry more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Gregory Campbell more like this
uin 191880 more like this
answer
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is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2018-11-20more like thismore than 2018-11-20
answer text <p>Sentencing guidelines are developed and reviewed by the independent Sentencing Council.</p><p> </p><p>I understand that the Sentencing Council is currently revising the definitive sentencing guideline on assault and will be considering recent changes to legislation as part of this.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
question first answered
less than 2018-11-20T17:19:55.51Zmore like thismore than 2018-11-20T17:19:55.51Z
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart remove filter
tabling member
1409
label Biography information for Mr Gregory Campbell more like this
1006979
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2018-11-14more like thismore than 2018-11-14
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Animal Welfare: Sentencing more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons remove filter
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, on how many occasions people convicted of animal cruelty under the Animal Welfare Act 2006 were given a custodial sentence in each of the last three years. more like this
tabling member constituency East Londonderry more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Gregory Campbell more like this
uin 191320 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2018-11-19more like thismore than 2018-11-19
answer text <p>Figures on the number of people sentenced to custody for offences of animal cruelty under the Animal Welfare Act 2006 from 2015 to 2017 can be found in the Outcomes by Offence data tool: <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/733981/outcomes-by-offence-tool-2017-update.xlsx" target="_blank">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/733981/outcomes-by-offence-tool-2017-update.xlsx</a>.</p><p> </p><p>Search ‘Offence’ for ‘108a Animal Cruelty under sections 4-8 under Animal Welfare Act 2006’.</p><p> </p><p>It is important to remember that these figures are on a principle offence basis. When a defendant has been prosecuted for two or more offences, the principal offence is the offence for which the heaviest penalty would be imposed.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
question first answered
less than 2018-11-19T15:34:36.983Zmore like thismore than 2018-11-19T15:34:36.983Z
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart remove filter
tabling member
1409
label Biography information for Mr Gregory Campbell more like this
1007116
registered interest true more like this
date less than 2018-11-14more like thismore than 2018-11-14
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Prison Officers: Labour Turnover more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons remove filter
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, pursuant to Answer of 31 October 2018 to Question 184426 on Prisons: Crimes of Violence; how many prison officers were re-hired who had previously left. more like this
tabling member constituency Barnsley Central more like this
tabling member printed
Dan Jarvis more like this
uin 191420 more like this
answer
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is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2018-11-19more like thismore than 2018-11-19
answer text <p>The number of band 3-5 prison officers who have re-joined HMPPS after having previously left since 2009/10 is provided in table 1.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Table 1: Number of band 3-5 prison officers<sup>1</sup> who have re-joined HMPPS after previously leaving<sup>2</sup>, since 2009/10</strong></p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p>Headcount</p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>Financial Year</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Number of band 3-5 prison officer who have re-joined HMPPS</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p>2009/10</p></td><td><p>1</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>2010/11</p></td><td><p>5</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>2011/12</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>2012/13</p></td><td><p>4</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>2013/14</p></td><td><p>0</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>2014/15</p></td><td><p>104</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>2015/16</p></td><td><p>27</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>2016/17</p></td><td><p>102</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>2017/18</p></td><td><p>126</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>2018/19 (to Sep 30<sup>th</sup> 2018)</p></td><td><p>61</p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>Grand Total</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>433</strong></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p> </p><p><em><sup>1</sup></em><em> Includes Band 3-4 / Prison Officer (incl specialists), Band 4 / Supervising Officer and Band 5 / Custodial Managers.</em></p><p><em><sup>2</sup></em><em> Instances where the latest hire date is within 28 days of the leaving date have been excluded from the above figures. This is because anyone re-joining within 28 days legally still has continuity of employment.</em></p><p> </p><p>There has been a net increase of 3,653 new officers since we announced our target to recruit 2,500 more staff, meaning that officers with more experience make up a smaller proportion of total staffing numbers.</p><p> </p><p>We recognise that experienced prison officers do a vital job in protecting the public every day in very challenging environments and we want them to stay and progress their careers alongside these new recruits.</p><p> </p><p>That is why we have increased pay 2.75% this year, on top of a 1.7% average increase last year, and have given Governors greater autonomy to do what is necessary to retain their most experienced staff.</p><p> </p><p>It is also why we are rolling out body worn cameras, ‘police-style’ handcuffs and restraints, and trialling PAVA incapacitant spray to ensure prison officers have the tools they need to do the job safely.</p>
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
question first answered
less than 2018-11-19T17:45:42.477Zmore like thismore than 2018-11-19T17:45:42.477Z
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart remove filter
tabling member
4243
label Biography information for Dan Jarvis more like this
1007125
registered interest true more like this
date less than 2018-11-14more like thismore than 2018-11-14
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Prison Officers: South Yorkshire more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons remove filter
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many prison officers in South Yorkshire prisons have less than two years experience in that career. more like this
tabling member constituency Barnsley Central more like this
tabling member printed
Dan Jarvis more like this
uin 191421 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2018-11-19more like thismore than 2018-11-19
answer text <p>Figures for the number of offences of rape recorded by the police are published by the Office for National Statistics.</p><p> </p><p>The number of defendants prosecuted in the North East and England for rape offences are published by the Ministry of Justice and can be found in the Court Outcomes by Police Force Area data tool in the following link:</p><p><a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/733996/court-outcomes-by-pfa-2017-update.xlsx" target="_blank">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/733996/court-outcomes-by-pfa-2017-update.xlsx</a></p><p> </p><ul><li>To calculate the total for <strong>England</strong>, deselect ‘Dyfed-Powys’, ‘Gwent’, ‘North Wales’ and ‘South Wales’ in the ‘Police Force Area’ filter.</li><li>To identify the <strong>North East</strong>, select ‘Cleveland’, ‘Durham’, ‘Humberside’, ‘North Yorkshire’, ‘Northumbria’, ‘South Yorkshire’ and ‘West Yorkshire’ in the ‘Police Force Area’ filter.</li><li>For the number of prosecutions, filter ‘Court Type’ by ’02: Magistrates Court’.</li><li>For rape offences, filter ‘Offence’ to:</li></ul><p>o 19C Rape of a female aged 16 or over</p><p>o 19D Rape of a female aged under 16</p><p>o 19E Rape of a female child under 13 by a male</p><p>o 19F Rape of a male aged under 16</p><p>o 19G Rape of a male aged 16 or over</p><p>o 19H Rape of a male child under 13 by a male</p>
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
question first answered
less than 2018-11-19T17:57:28.167Zmore like thismore than 2018-11-19T17:57:28.167Z
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart remove filter
previous answer version
85843
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart more like this
tabling member
4243
label Biography information for Dan Jarvis more like this
1007133
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2018-11-14more like thismore than 2018-11-14
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Rape: Prosecutions more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons remove filter
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many cases of rape were (a) recorded and (b) prosecuted in each of the last three years in (i) the North East and (ii) England. more like this
tabling member constituency Newcastle upon Tyne North more like this
tabling member printed
Catherine McKinnell more like this
uin 191415 more like this
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is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2018-11-19more like thismore than 2018-11-19
answer text <p>Figures for the number of offences of rape recorded by the police are published by the Office for National Statistics.</p><p> </p><p>The number of defendants prosecuted in the North East and England for rape offences are published by the Ministry of Justice and can be found in the Court Outcomes by Police Force Area data tool in the following link:</p><p><a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/733996/court-outcomes-by-pfa-2017-update.xlsx" target="_blank">https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/733996/court-outcomes-by-pfa-2017-update.xlsx</a></p><p> </p><ul><li>To calculate the total for <strong>England</strong>, deselect ‘Dyfed-Powys’, ‘Gwent’, ‘North Wales’ and ‘South Wales’ in the ‘Police Force Area’ filter.</li><li>To identify the <strong>North East</strong>, select ‘Cleveland’, ‘Durham’, ‘Humberside’, ‘North Yorkshire’, ‘Northumbria’, ‘South Yorkshire’ and ‘West Yorkshire’ in the ‘Police Force Area’ filter.</li><li>For the number of prosecutions, filter ‘Court Type’ by ’02: Magistrates Court’.</li><li>For rape offences, filter ‘Offence’ to:</li></ul><p>o 19C Rape of a female aged 16 or over</p><p>o 19D Rape of a female aged under 16</p><p>o 19E Rape of a female child under 13 by a male</p><p>o 19F Rape of a male aged under 16</p><p>o 19G Rape of a male aged 16 or over</p><p>o 19H Rape of a male child under 13 by a male</p>
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
question first answered
less than 2018-11-19T17:56:01.127Zmore like thismore than 2018-11-19T17:56:01.127Z
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart remove filter
tabling member
4125
label Biography information for Catherine McKinnell more like this
1005994
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2018-11-13more like thismore than 2018-11-13
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Prison Sentences more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons remove filter
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what progress he has made on the review of sentences for public protection; and how many cases have been reviewed to date. more like this
tabling member constituency Leeds Central more like this
tabling member printed
Hilary Benn more like this
uin 190780 more like this
answer
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is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2018-11-19more like thismore than 2018-11-19
answer text <p>Whilst HMPPS is focused on giving all IPP prisoners opportunities to progress towards release, public protection is our priority. According to management information held by HM Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS), over 1,300 case reviews of prisoners serving a sentence of imprisonment for public protection (IPP) have been completed to date. These are psychology-led reviews designed to help post-tariff IPP prisoners, who have had at least two previous unsuccessful parole reviews and who have never been to open conditions or been released into the community. For this particular cohort, as of August this year, 131 such prisoners have subsequently achieved release, with a further 252 achieving a move to open conditions. More generally, HMPPS have been working to improve the management and progression of IPP prisoners for some time, which is evident in the increasing number of overall releases we have seen in recent years: 576 in 2016 and 616 last year.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
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less than 2018-11-19T17:47:26.92Zmore like thismore than 2018-11-19T17:47:26.92Z
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart remove filter
tabling member
413
label Biography information for Hilary Benn more like this
1006015
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2018-11-13more like thismore than 2018-11-13
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Prisons: Private Sector more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons remove filter
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, pursuant to the Answer of 18 September 2018 to Question 172523 on Prisons: Private Sector, what information his Department holds on individual prison custody officers approved under Section 89 of the Criminal Justice Act 1991. more like this
tabling member constituency Dwyfor Meirionnydd more like this
tabling member printed
Liz Saville Roberts more like this
uin 190939 more like this
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is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2018-11-21more like thismore than 2018-11-21
answer text <p>With regards to when the Ministry of Justice stopped holding data on the number of certified staff and the reasons for doing so, it may help if I explain that the MoJ has never collected this information. Whilst Section 89 of the Criminal Justice Act 1991 confirms that a Prison Custody Officer (PCO) is approved by the Secretary of State for the purpose of performing escort and custodial duties, it does not oblige the Secretary of State to collect or publish the information requested.</p><p> </p><p>The Secretary of State approves PCOs for the purpose of performing escort functions or custodial duties or both and PCO’s are accordingly authorised to perform them. However, there is not a process in place whereby the Secretary of State formally issues certificates to new PCOs, and as mentioned previously, Section 89 of the Criminal Justice Act 1991 does not oblige the Secretary of State to collect or publish such information.</p><p> </p><p>All staffing matters, including the responsibility for ensuring the availability of sufficiently trained and experienced staff to maintain safe and decent prisons, lies with contractors. There is no requirement in the contracts to agree staffing levels with the Ministry of Justice. Therefore, all staff working in privately managed prisons are fully certified and, as such, the figures we hold, and have provided on several occasions, include the funded posts for fully certified staff.</p><p>As you know, each privately managed prison has a full-time on-site Controller employed by HM Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS). The Controller has regular review meetings with the contractor against a range of performance indicators that will reflect numbers of staff in post, recruitment, training, sickness, and attrition. Any concerns in relation to these performance indicators are discussed at these meetings. Where action is needed, progress is monitored by the Controller and escalated within HMPPS where appropriate action can be taken in accordance with the contract. This may include a requirement for urgent improvement and/or financial deductions.</p>
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
grouped question UIN
190556 more like this
190557 more like this
190560 more like this
190561 more like this
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less than 2018-11-21T17:05:18.043Zmore like thismore than 2018-11-21T17:05:18.043Z
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart remove filter
tabling member
4521
label Biography information for Liz Saville Roberts more like this
1006064
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2018-11-13more like thismore than 2018-11-13
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice more like this
hansard heading Prisoners: Repatriation more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons remove filter
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many and what proportion of imprisoned foreign national offenders have been transferred from the UK to a prison in the country of which they are a national under the EU prisoner Transfer Framework Decision since December 2011. more like this
tabling member constituency Kettering more like this
tabling member printed
Mr Philip Hollobone more like this
uin 190835 more like this
answer
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is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2018-11-19more like thismore than 2018-11-19
answer text <p>Any foreign national who comes to our country and abuses our hospitality by breaking the law should be in no doubt of our determination to punish and deport them. More than 44,000 foreign national offenders have been removed from the UK since 2010, and in the last financial year almost 6,000 were removed from prisons, immigration removal centres, and the community.</p><p> </p><p>The Early Removal Scheme is the principal method for removing foreign national offenders early from prison. In 2017/18, over 2000 foreign national offenders were removed under this scheme. In addition, prisoners may be transferred to a prison in their own country. The principal compulsory prisoner transfer scheme is the EU Prisoner Transfer Framework Decision (Council Framework Decision 2008/909/JHA). The table below gives the proportion of EU nationals held in prisons and the HMPPS run IRC. The table includes those EU nationals held on remand, those serving short sentences, and those held under immigration powers who are not eligible for transfer.</p><p> </p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p>Number of prisoners transferred under the EU PTFD</p></td><td><p>EU FNO population (inc. IRCs) as at 30 June each year</p></td><td><p><strong>Percentage transferred (Transfers divided by Population)</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2011</strong></p></td><td><p>0</p></td><td><p>3,688</p></td><td><p><strong>-</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2012</strong></p></td><td><p>0</p></td><td><p>3,818</p></td><td><p><strong>-</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2013</strong></p></td><td><p>16</p></td><td><p>3,999</p></td><td><p><strong>0.4%</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2014</strong></p></td><td><p>19</p></td><td><p>4,252</p></td><td><p><strong>0.4%</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2015</strong></p></td><td><p>38</p></td><td><p>4,126</p></td><td><p><strong>0.9%</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2016</strong></p></td><td><p>81</p></td><td><p>4,205</p></td><td><p><strong>1.9%</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2017</strong></p></td><td><p>95</p></td><td><p>4,024</p></td><td><p><strong>2.4%</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>2018</strong></p></td><td><p>85 (to 31 Oct)</p></td><td><p>3,905</p></td><td><p><strong>2.2%</strong></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p>The EU PTFD came into force in December 2011. At that time only four Member States, in addition to the UK, had implemented the Framework Decision. Other Member States implemented the Framework Decision at various dates from 2012 onwards. Two Member States have yet to implement the agreement. The number of prisoners transferred has risen steadily since 2013 as Member States put in place new legislation and procedures necessary to implement the Framework Decision. Prior to a Member State’s implementation of the Framework Decision transfers took place under the Council of Europe Convention on the Transfer of Sentenced Persons. These transfers are not included in the table.</p><p> </p><p>The number of foreign national offenders held in Scotland and Northern Ireland is a matter for their respective governments.</p>
answering member constituency Penrith and The Border more like this
answering member printed Rory Stewart more like this
question first answered
less than 2018-11-19T17:46:38.547Zmore like thismore than 2018-11-19T17:46:38.547Z
answering member
4137
label Biography information for Rory Stewart remove filter
tabling member
1537
label Biography information for Mr Philip Hollobone more like this