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1144173
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star this property date less than 2019-09-03more like thismore than 2019-09-03
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Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government more like this
star this property answering dept id 7 more like this
unstar this property answering dept short name Housing, Communities and Local Government more like this
unstar this property answering dept sort name Housing, Communities and Local Government more like this
unstar this property hansard heading Private Rented Housing: Older People more like this
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25277
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star this property question text To ask Her Majesty's Government how many tenants over the age of 60 currently live in private rental accommodation; whether this proportion of older people in private rental accommodation is increasing, and if so, how rapidly; and what plans they have, if any, to take action to increase security for older tenants, including repealing section 21 of the Housing Act to prevent landlords from being able to evict tenants at short notice without giving a reason. more like this
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The Marquess of Lothian more like this
star this property uin HL17661 more like this
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star this property date of answer less than 2019-09-09more like thismore than 2019-09-09
unstar this property answer text <p><del class="ministerial">It has not proved possible to respond to this question in the time available before Prorogation. Ministers will correspond directly with the Member.</del><ins class="ministerial">The latest English Housing Survey for 2017-18 estimates that there are 379,000 households where the Household Reference Person is 65 years and older, the age range for which data is collated by the annual English Housing Survey. The proportion of people aged 65 or over in the private rented sector has remained broadly stable at 8-9 per cent since 2014/15.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">We know that security of tenure is a concern for many in the private rented sector, including older renters. That is why the Government announced in April that it proposes to create new rules around ending a tenancy by reviewing. Section 21 of the Housing Act 1988. These proposals are currently subject to consultation until 12 October and accompanied by a package of court reforms to make the system faster and simpler. The Government’s proposed measures will provide greater certainty for tenants and make the housing market fit for the 21st century.</ins></p><p> </p>
star this property answering member printed Viscount Younger of Leckie more like this
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less than 2019-09-09T16:39:42.237Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-09T16:39:42.237Z
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less than 2019-10-02T11:45:48.247Zmore like thismore than 2019-10-02T11:45:48.247Z
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4169
star this property label Biography information for Viscount Younger of Leckie more like this
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135498
star this property answering member printed Viscount Younger of Leckie more like this
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4169
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unstar this property label Biography information for The Marquess of Lothian more like this
1145244
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star this property date less than 2019-09-05more like thismore than 2019-09-05
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Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government more like this
star this property answering dept id 7 more like this
unstar this property answering dept short name Housing, Communities and Local Government more like this
unstar this property answering dept sort name Housing, Communities and Local Government more like this
unstar this property hansard heading Social Services: Finance more like this
star this property house id 2 more like this
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25277
star this property pref label House of Lords remove filter
star this property question text To ask Her Majesty's Government what plans they have to change the distribution of adult social care funding. more like this
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Lord Taylor of Warwick more like this
star this property uin HL17771 more like this
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star this property is ministerial correction true more like this
star this property date of answer less than 2019-09-09more like thismore than 2019-09-09
unstar this property answer text <p><del class="ministerial">It has not proved possible to respond to this question in the time available before Prorogation. Ministers will correspond directly with the Member.</del><ins class="ministerial">The Spending Round settlement for local government responds to the pressures councils are facing by providing access to the largest increase in Core Spending Power since 2015. This includes an additional £1 billion of grant funding for adults and children’s social care, on top of the continuation of existing social care grants. Decisions about the distribution of funding for local government in 2020-21 will be announced in due course.</ins></p><p> </p> more like this
star this property answering member printed Viscount Younger of Leckie more like this
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less than 2019-09-09T16:38:38.077Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-09T16:38:38.077Z
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less than 2019-10-02T11:02:04.637Zmore like thismore than 2019-10-02T11:02:04.637Z
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4169
star this property label Biography information for Viscount Younger of Leckie more like this
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135457
star this property answering member printed Viscount Younger of Leckie more like this
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4169
star this property label Biography information for Viscount Younger of Leckie more like this
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unstar this property label Biography information for Lord Taylor of Warwick more like this
1144865
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star this property date less than 2019-09-04more like thismore than 2019-09-04
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Treasury more like this
star this property answering dept id 14 more like this
unstar this property answering dept short name Treasury more like this
unstar this property answering dept sort name Treasury more like this
unstar this property hansard heading Occupational Pensions: Tax Allowances more like this
star this property house id 2 more like this
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25277
star this property pref label House of Lords remove filter
star this property question text To ask Her Majesty's Government, with respect to the National Statistics data published in April, which estimated the total cost of pension tax relief in respect of registered pension schemes for the year ending 5 April 2018 at £36.3 billion including £4.3 billion in tax relief on employee contributions to occupational pension schemes, (1) what is the estimated figure of gross pension contributions on which this figure was based, and (2) what specific assumptions were made as to the rates of tax applicable in arriving at the figure of £4.3 billion; and whether these assumptions included that all employees making contributions to occupational schemes receive the full tax relief to which they are entitled, including those contributing to net pay pension schemes. more like this
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Baroness Altmann more like this
star this property uin HL17699 more like this
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star this property is ministerial correction true more like this
star this property date of answer less than 2019-09-09more like thismore than 2019-09-09
unstar this property answer text <p><del class="ministerial">It has not proved possible to respond to this question in the time available before Prorogation. Ministers will correspond directly with the Member.</del></p><p> </p><p><ins class="ministerial">HMRC publishes estimates of the cost of pension tax relief which is available in table 6 of HM Revenue and Customs Personal Pension Statistics on Gov.uk. </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"><em> </em></ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">These estimates were revised on 26<sup>th</sup> September 2019 as part of an overall update to HMRC’s Personal Pension and Pension Relief statistics. Estimates of the cost of tax relief on contributions are produced using the Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings (ASHE) for income, individual and employer contributions for members of pension schemes that use the net pay mechanism; and administrative data HMRC holds on relief at source administrative data matched to the Survey of Personal Incomes (SPI) - for income, individual and employer pension contributions for members of pension schemes that use the relief at source mechanism.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">The cost of tax relief for all contributions made by individuals is approximately £6.3bn, broken down as the cost of relief on employee contributions to occupational schemes (£4.2bn), to personal pension schemes (£1.6bn), and self-employed contributions to pensions (£0.5bn). Occupational pensions here includes some master trust pension schemes which use the relief at source method. Personal pensions here includes workplace personal pension schemes (such as group personal pensions).</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">i) The £4.3bn figure referenced is the cost of pension tax relief relating to occupational pension schemes. Estimates of the cost of pension tax relief were revised on September 26<sup>th</sup> 2019 as part of an overall update to HMRC’s Personal Pensions and Pension Relief Statistics. The £4.3bn figure referenced has since been revised to £4.2bn. </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">This £4.2bn figure of tax relief is derived from around £15.9bn of estimated “relievable” individual pension contributions to occupational pension schemes, (where “relievable” refers to our best estimates of contributions which are within the individual’s pensions Annual Allowance). </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">ii) Marginal rate tax relief is applied to these estimates of “relievable” contributions as if these contributions were taxed. Estimates are produced assuming all members contributing to all pension schemes receive full marginal rate tax relief on their contributions.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"><em> </em></ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">As noted in the publication, costs are subject to large revisions and have a particularly wide margin of error – reflecting the variety of sources of data (both administrative and survey) required to produce these estimates.</ins></p>
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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less than 2019-09-09T16:33:08.633Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-09T16:33:08.633Z
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less than 2019-10-08T12:38:27.003Zmore like thismore than 2019-10-08T12:38:27.003Z
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star this property label Biography information for The Earl of Courtown more like this
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135351
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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unstar this property label Biography information for Baroness Altmann more like this
1144896
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star this property date less than 2019-09-04more like thismore than 2019-09-04
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Department for International Trade more like this
star this property answering dept id 202 more like this
unstar this property answering dept short name International Trade more like this
unstar this property answering dept sort name International Trade more like this
unstar this property hansard heading Trade more like this
star this property house id 2 more like this
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25277
star this property pref label House of Lords remove filter
star this property question text To ask Her Majesty's Government what assessment they have made of a joint-letter from a group of worldwide business federations coordinated by the United States Chamber of Commerce warning against the impact that a no-deal Brexit could have on global trade as reported by The Times on 4 September. more like this
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Lord Taylor of Warwick more like this
star this property uin HL17730 more like this
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star this property is ministerial correction true more like this
star this property date of answer less than 2019-09-09more like thismore than 2019-09-09
unstar this property answer text <p><del class="ministerial">It has not proved possible to respond to this question in the time available before Prorogation. Ministers will correspond directly with the Member.</del></p><p><ins class="ministerial">The Government is accelerating Brexit preparations so that it is ready to leave the EU on 31 October, whatever the circumstances. The UK is ready to continue trading on day 1 of Brexit and will show it can globally trade its way to prosperity, stability and security.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> <ins class="ministerial">The Department for International Trade is giving businesses accurate, official, up-to-date information on what will and won’t change when the UK leaves the EU on 31 October. It is also providing businesses with the actions they need to take to continue trading with minimal disruption. Businesses should familiarise themselves with the detailed and wide-ranging Brexit guidance available on <a href="https://www.gov.uk/brexit" target="_blank">gov.uk/brexit</a> so they understand how to prepare for a potential no deal Brexit scenario.</ins></ins></p>
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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less than 2019-09-09T16:42:29.527Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-09T16:42:29.527Z
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less than 2019-09-26T12:40:27.147Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-26T12:40:27.147Z
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3359
star this property label Biography information for The Earl of Courtown more like this
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star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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3359
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unstar this property label Biography information for Lord Taylor of Warwick more like this
1145239
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star this property date less than 2019-09-05more like thismore than 2019-09-05
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Department for International Trade more like this
star this property answering dept id 202 more like this
unstar this property answering dept short name International Trade more like this
unstar this property answering dept sort name International Trade more like this
unstar this property hansard heading Arms Trade: Saudi Arabia more like this
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25277
star this property pref label House of Lords remove filter
star this property question text To ask Her Majesty's Government how many export licences they have granted which approved the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia in 2019. more like this
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Lord Roberts of Llandudno more like this
star this property uin HL17766 more like this
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star this property is ministerial correction true more like this
star this property date of answer less than 2019-09-09more like thismore than 2019-09-09
unstar this property answer text <p><del class="ministerial">It has not proved possible to respond to this question in the time available before Prorogation. Ministers will correspond directly with the Member.</del></p><p> </p><p><ins class="ministerial">Licensing data is published as Official Statistics on GOV.UK. The data currently provides details of licences up to 31 March 2019 and this shows that 50 licence applications for military items have been approved. </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">Information about the period 1 April to 30 June will be published on 15 October 2019 and data covering the period 1 July 2019 to 30 September 2019 will be published in January 2020.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">Licensing decisions about transfers to Saudi Arabia of items which may be used in the conflict in Yemen have been subject to judicial review. Under the Court of Appeal judgment of 20 June 2019 my Rt. Hon Friend the Secretary of State for International Trade was remitted to reconsider these decisions. Until such time the Government will not grant new licences to export items to Saudi Arabia or its coalition partners for possible use in Yemen. </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">All export licences are issued in strict accordance with the Consolidated EU and National Arms Export Licensing Criteria.</ins></p><p> </p>
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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less than 2019-09-09T16:39:49.153Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-09T16:39:49.153Z
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less than 2019-09-26T14:47:23.107Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-26T14:47:23.107Z
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3359
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135494
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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3359
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3691
unstar this property label Biography information for Lord Roberts of Llandudno more like this
1145240
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star this property date less than 2019-09-05more like thismore than 2019-09-05
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Department for International Trade more like this
star this property answering dept id 202 more like this
unstar this property answering dept short name International Trade more like this
unstar this property answering dept sort name International Trade more like this
unstar this property hansard heading Arms Trade: Saudi Arabia more like this
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25277
star this property pref label House of Lords remove filter
star this property question text To ask Her Majesty's Government what plans they have to (1) revoke all existing, and (2) ban future, export licences for the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia. more like this
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Lord Roberts of Llandudno more like this
star this property uin HL17767 more like this
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star this property date of answer less than 2019-09-09more like thismore than 2019-09-09
unstar this property answer text <p><del class="ministerial">It has not proved possible to respond to this question in the time available before Prorogation. Ministers will correspond directly with the Member.</del></p><p><ins class="ministerial">The Court order of 20 June 2019 remitted the decision to grant export licences for the sale or transfer of arms and military equipment to Saudi Arabia for possible use in the conflict in Yemen to my Rt Hon. Friend the Secretary of State for International Trade to re-take on the correct legal basis.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">The order did not require the Secretary of State to suspend existing licences. As a matter of priority, and without prejudice to our appeal against the 20 June judgment, we are considering the implications of the judgment for decision-making.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">Amending our decision-making process in line with the judgment does not necessarily mean that decisions would be different.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">On 20 June, the then Secretary of State, set out in a statement to Parliament that until we retake our licensing decisions in line with the judgment we will not grant any new licences for exports to Saudi Arabia and its coalition partners that might be used in the conflict in Yemen.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial"> </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">However, you will be aware of the Secretary of State’s statement to Parliament of 26 September, in which she set out information on inadvertent breaches of the Undertaking given to the Court of Appeal by the then Secretary of State in the Order of the Court dated 20 June 2019 and licences that were granted contrary to the wider commitment to Parliament, made in a statement that same day. The Secretary of State has apologised unreservedly for these errors, both to the Court and Parliament.</ins></p>
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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less than 2019-09-09T16:42:25.067Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-09T16:42:25.067Z
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less than 2019-10-02T14:22:11.807Zmore like thismore than 2019-10-02T14:22:11.807Z
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3359
star this property label Biography information for The Earl of Courtown more like this
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135518
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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3359
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3691
unstar this property label Biography information for Lord Roberts of Llandudno more like this
1144093
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star this property date less than 2019-09-03more like thismore than 2019-09-03
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Cabinet Office more like this
star this property answering dept id 53 more like this
unstar this property answering dept short name Cabinet Office more like this
unstar this property answering dept sort name Cabinet Office more like this
unstar this property hansard heading Brexit more like this
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25277
star this property pref label House of Lords remove filter
star this property question text To ask Her Majesty's Government what was the date of completion of the Cabinet Office Review, code-named Operation Yellowhammer, that was published in the Sunday Times on 18 August. more like this
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Lord Birt more like this
star this property uin HL17581 more like this
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star this property date of answer less than 2019-09-09more like thismore than 2019-09-09
unstar this property answer text <p><del class="ministerial">It has not proved possible to respond to this question in the time available before Prorogation. Ministers will correspond directly with the Member.</del></p><p><ins class="ministerial">As is the usual practice, we do not comment on leaked documents. Any leak is unacceptable and the leak of any information is disappointing. However, On 11<sup>th</sup> September 2019 we published an iteration of the planning assumptions which largely reflect the work carried out under the previous government, which are dated 2 August. </ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">Operation Yellowhammer is a cross government programme of work to ensure that government is prepared to mitigate the potential impacts of Brexit in the event that the UK leaves without a deal. The programme is underpinned by planning assumptions that are not a prediction of what is going to happen, but reflect a responsible Government preparing for reasonable worst-case scenarios. A reasonable worse case assumption provides a challenging and stretching scenario to aid planning. Such an approach is good risk management.</ins></p><p><ins class="ministerial">We are currently undertaking a review of the reasonable worst case scenario planning assumptions for Operation Yellowhammer and will publish the revised version in due course. As you’d expect, the assumptions are under constant review, particularly as our preparations advance at pace.</ins></p>
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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less than 2019-09-09T16:55:09.823Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-09T16:55:09.823Z
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less than 2019-09-26T14:01:59.463Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-26T14:01:59.463Z
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3359
star this property label Biography information for The Earl of Courtown more like this
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135677
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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2533
unstar this property label Biography information for Lord Birt more like this
1144141
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star this property date less than 2019-09-03more like thismore than 2019-09-03
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Cabinet Office more like this
star this property answering dept id 53 more like this
unstar this property answering dept short name Cabinet Office more like this
unstar this property answering dept sort name Cabinet Office more like this
unstar this property hansard heading Prorogation more like this
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25277
star this property pref label House of Lords remove filter
star this property question text To ask Her Majesty's Government when the Prime Minister or Cabinet Secretary first discussed prorogation with Sir Edward Young, the Private Secretary to Her Majesty the Queen. more like this
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Lord Hain more like this
star this property uin HL17629 more like this
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star this property date of answer less than 2019-09-09more like thismore than 2019-09-09
unstar this property answer text <p><del class="ministerial">It has not proved possible to respond to this question in the time available before Prorogation. Ministers will correspond directly with the Member.</del></p><p><ins class="ministerial">Since communications between the Ministers or officials and Her Majesty the Queen or her advisers are confidential, I am not able to provide you with any details.</ins></p> more like this
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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less than 2019-09-09T16:55:15.7Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-09T16:55:15.7Z
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less than 2019-09-26T13:58:49.747Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-26T13:58:49.747Z
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star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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unstar this property label Biography information for Lord Hain more like this
1144169
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star this property date less than 2019-09-03more like thismore than 2019-09-03
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Cabinet Office more like this
star this property answering dept id 53 more like this
unstar this property answering dept short name Cabinet Office more like this
unstar this property answering dept sort name Cabinet Office more like this
unstar this property hansard heading Office for Tackling Injustices more like this
star this property house id 2 more like this
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25277
star this property pref label House of Lords remove filter
star this property question text To ask Her Majesty's Government what is the formal remit of the new Office for Tackling Injustices; and what are its immediate priorities. more like this
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Baroness Lister of Burtersett more like this
star this property uin HL17657 more like this
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star this property date of answer less than 2019-09-09more like thismore than 2019-09-09
unstar this property answer text <p><del class="ministerial">It has not proved possible to respond to this question in the time available before Prorogation. Ministers will correspond directly with the Member.</del></p><p><ins class="ministerial">We are considering how best to take forward this work in the light of the new Government’s domestic priorities and will provide an update in due course.</ins></p> more like this
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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less than 2019-09-09T16:55:37.57Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-09T16:55:37.57Z
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less than 2019-09-26T13:59:06.287Zmore like thismore than 2019-09-26T13:59:06.287Z
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star this property label Biography information for The Earl of Courtown more like this
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135682
star this property answering member printed The Earl of Courtown more like this
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unstar this property label Biography information for Baroness Lister of Burtersett more like this
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star this property date less than 2016-07-20more like thismore than 2016-07-20
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Cabinet Office more like this
star this property answering dept id 53 more like this
unstar this property answering dept short name Cabinet Office more like this
unstar this property answering dept sort name Cabinet Office more like this
unstar this property hansard heading Ministers: Pay more like this
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25277
star this property pref label House of Lords remove filter
star this property question text To ask Her Majesty’s Government how many ministers (1) in the House of Lords, and (2) in the House of Commons, are presently unpaid. more like this
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Lord Trefgarne more like this
star this property uin HL1376 more like this
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star this property date of answer less than 2016-08-03more like thismore than 2016-08-03
unstar this property answer text <p>In the present Government there are five unpaid Ministers who are members of the House of Lords and three unpaid Ministers who are members of the House of Commons.</p> more like this
star this property answering member printed Earl of Courtown more like this
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less than 2016-08-03T13:48:50.577Zmore like thismore than 2016-08-03T13:48:50.577Z
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less than 2016-08-03T13:57:24.903Zmore like thismore than 2016-08-03T13:57:24.903Z
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star this property label Biography information for The Earl of Courtown more like this
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star this property answering member printed Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen more like this
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unstar this property label Biography information for Lord Trefgarne more like this