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1139202
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2019-07-16more like thismore than 2019-07-16
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Prisons: Drugs more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what recent assessment he has made of the effect of prisoners being released on temporary licence on the supply of drugs into prisons. more like this
tabling member constituency Shipley more like this
tabling member printed
Philip Davies more like this
uin 277693 more like this
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answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2019-07-31more like thismore than 2019-07-31
answer text <p>We do not hold data centrally on what proportion of prisoners released on temporary licence supply drugs into prisons.</p><p> </p><p>By providing opportunities to work, learn and build family ties, temporary release from prison helps ensure offenders do not return to crime when they leave prison. We recognise that temporary release presents a potential route by which drugs might enter a prison and this is a key consideration in how the establishment operates its release on temporary licence (ROTL) regime. All offenders released on ROTL are subject to rigorous individual risk assessment and licence conditions. Returning with drugs is both a criminal offence and a breach of the licence conditions, which can lead to suspension of ROTL and a return to closed prison conditions, in addition to any other penalty.</p><p> </p><p>Evidence shows the vast majority abide by their temporary release conditions, with the compliance rate standing at well over 99%. Non-compliance is, and will continue to be, dealt with robustly.</p><p> </p><p>To respond to the risk from drugs in prisons, we are strengthening our gate and perimeter security, drafting specialist search teams into prisons across the country and investing in physical and technical security counter measures. Alongside this, Her Majesty’s Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS) has developed a new, national Prison Drugs Strategy, published in April 2019. The Strategy outlines how HMPPS is working to restrict the supply of drugs, reduce demand through rehabilitative activities, and support prisoners to build recovery from substance misuse.</p>
answering member constituency South East Cambridgeshire more like this
answering member printed Lucy Frazer more like this
question first answered
less than 2019-07-31T14:50:45.8Zmore like thismore than 2019-07-31T14:50:45.8Z
answering member
4517
label Biography information for Lucy Frazer more like this
tabling member
1565
label Biography information for Sir Philip Davies more like this
1139234
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2019-07-16more like thismore than 2019-07-16
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Cremation more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, whether the Government plans to bring forward legislative proposals on the use of alkaline hydrolysis as an alternative to traditional cremations. more like this
tabling member constituency Cheltenham more like this
tabling member printed
Alex Chalk more like this
uin 277785 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2019-07-23more like thismore than 2019-07-23
answer text <p>The Government currently has no plans to bring forward legislation in this area.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Charnwood more like this
answering member printed Edward Argar more like this
question first answered
less than 2019-07-23T11:35:16.27Zmore like thismore than 2019-07-23T11:35:16.27Z
answering member
4362
label Biography information for Edward Argar more like this
tabling member
4481
label Biography information for Alex Chalk more like this
1139265
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2019-07-16more like thismore than 2019-07-16
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Prison Service: Industrial Health and Safety more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many calls have been made to his Department's Body Fluid Exposure and Sharps Injury telephone helpline by each prison in each month since December 2017. more like this
tabling member constituency Leeds East more like this
tabling member printed
Richard Burgon more like this
uin 277788 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2019-07-31more like thismore than 2019-07-31
answer text <p>HMPPS has a duty of care to its staff to ensure they are provided immediate and specialist advice following suspected and actual Bodily Fluid Exposure (BFE) incidents. In December 2017 HMPPS put in place a 24 hour Bodily Fluid Exposure and Sharps Injury telephone helpline which provides an initial assessment by a qualified nurse clinician.</p><p>The number of calls to the Body Fluid Exposure and Sharps Injury telephone helpline by Prison:</p><p>(see annex B)</p> more like this
answering member constituency South East Cambridgeshire more like this
answering member printed Lucy Frazer more like this
question first answered
less than 2019-07-31T14:17:45.723Zmore like thismore than 2019-07-31T14:17:45.723Z
answering member
4517
label Biography information for Lucy Frazer more like this
attachment
1
file name Annex B- PQ277788 v2.xlsx more like this
title Annex B more like this
tabling member
4493
label Biography information for Richard Burgon more like this
1139266
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2019-07-16more like thismore than 2019-07-16
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Prison Service: Industrial Health and Safety more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, on how many occasions have prison staff calling the Body Fluid Exposure and Sharps Injury telephone helpline been advised to attend A&E in each month since December 2017. more like this
tabling member constituency Leeds East more like this
tabling member printed
Richard Burgon more like this
uin 277789 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2019-07-22more like thismore than 2019-07-22
answer text <p>HMPPS has a duty of care to its staff to ensure they are provided immediate and specialist advice following suspected and actual Bodily Fluid Exposure (BFE) incidents. In December 2017 HMPPS put in place a 24 hour Bodily Fluid Exposure and Sharps Injury telephone helpline which provides an initial assessment by a qualified nurse clinician.</p><p> </p><p>Number of calls to the Body Fluid Exposure and Sharps Injury telephone helpline per month:</p><p> </p><p>(see annex A)</p><p> </p><p>Number of times staff have been directed to contact Accident &amp; Emergency:</p><p>(see annex C)</p> more like this
answering member constituency South Swindon more like this
answering member printed Robert Buckland more like this
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file name Copy of Annex A-PQ277787.xlsx more like this
title Annex A more like this
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file name Copy of Annex C- PQ277789.xlsx more like this
title Annex C more like this
grouped question UIN 277787 more like this
question first answered
less than 2019-07-22T15:31:38.797Zmore like thismore than 2019-07-22T15:31:38.797Z
answering member
4106
label Biography information for Sir Robert Buckland more like this
tabling member
4493
label Biography information for Richard Burgon more like this
1139308
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2019-07-16more like thismore than 2019-07-16
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Wakefield Prison: Pepper Spray more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what the timeframe is for the (a) commencement of training on the use of PAVA spray and (b) roll-out of PAVA spray to staff in HMP Wakefield. more like this
tabling member constituency Barnsley Central more like this
tabling member printed
Dan Jarvis more like this
uin 277743 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2019-07-23more like thismore than 2019-07-23
answer text <p>HMP Wakefield have had their initial readiness assessment visit on the 26<sup>th</sup> June, following this they are required to provide a local training plan which will outline a timeframe for them to complete local training of staff.</p><p> </p><p>The readiness assessment and training plan will require sign-off by their Prison Group Director and the Project Sponsor to ensure it is realistic and achievable. Once sign-off is provided training will commence.</p> more like this
answering member constituency South Swindon more like this
answering member printed Robert Buckland more like this
question first answered
less than 2019-07-23T13:08:56.863Zmore like thismore than 2019-07-23T13:08:56.863Z
answering member
4106
label Biography information for Sir Robert Buckland more like this
tabling member
4243
label Biography information for Dan Jarvis more like this
1138964
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2019-07-15more like thismore than 2019-07-15
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Probate more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what assessment he has made of the performance of the Probate Service in processing applications for probate in 2019; how he measures that performance; and how long it took on average to process a probate application in each of the last 24 months. more like this
tabling member constituency Witham more like this
tabling member printed
Priti Patel more like this
uin 277181 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2019-07-18more like thismore than 2019-07-18
answer text <p>Official statistics are not published on the average length of time from receipt of the application to the issue of a grant of probate. Her Majesty’s Courts &amp; Tribunals Service (HMCTS) internal management information, which is not subject to the rigorous quality assurance processes of official statistics, has been used to show the following average times from receipt of an application to a grant being issued:</p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><strong>Month and year </strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Average Weeks to grant issued </strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p>July 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>August 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>September 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>October 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>November 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>December 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>January 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>February 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>March 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>April 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>May 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>June 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>July 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>August 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>September 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>October 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>November 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>December 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>January 2019</p></td><td><p>2</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>February 2019</p></td><td><p>2</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>March 2019</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>April 2019</p></td><td><p>2</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>May 2019</p></td><td><p>6</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>June 2019</p></td><td><p>9</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p>These figures do not include cases which are waiting for a grant to be issued. The data from April 2019 to June 2019 have been extracted from the HMCTS Reform Core Case Data system, which is a new system in active development, and may not be directly comparable with figures for earlier periods. All figures, especially those for April 2019 to June 2019, are provisional and subject to revision.</p><p> </p><p>Some grants are experiencing delays of between four and six weeks outside of our targets as a result of significant increases in work during March and April and some technology issues which have now been resolved. We have recruited more staff and are now issuing in excess of 1,000 grants a day, which is bringing waiting times down further.</p><p> </p><p>Urgent action has been taken to address the delays which have been experienced in the probate service. Her Majesty’s Courts &amp; Tribunals Service is increasing staffing levels and further improving the digital service to help reduce waiting times.</p>
answering member constituency Blackpool North and Cleveleys more like this
answering member printed Paul Maynard more like this
grouped question UIN 277182 more like this
question first answered
less than 2019-07-18T09:21:14.367Zmore like thismore than 2019-07-18T09:21:14.367Z
answering member
3926
label Biography information for Paul Maynard more like this
tabling member
4066
label Biography information for Priti Patel more like this
1138965
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2019-07-15more like thismore than 2019-07-15
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Probate more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, whether he is taking steps to reduce the time taken to process applications for probate; and if he will make a statement. more like this
tabling member constituency Witham more like this
tabling member printed
Priti Patel more like this
uin 277182 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2019-07-18more like thismore than 2019-07-18
answer text <p>Official statistics are not published on the average length of time from receipt of the application to the issue of a grant of probate. Her Majesty’s Courts &amp; Tribunals Service (HMCTS) internal management information, which is not subject to the rigorous quality assurance processes of official statistics, has been used to show the following average times from receipt of an application to a grant being issued:</p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><strong>Month and year </strong></p></td><td><p><strong>Average Weeks to grant issued </strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p>July 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>August 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>September 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>October 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>November 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>December 2017</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>January 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>February 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>March 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>April 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>May 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>June 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>July 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>August 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>September 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>October 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>November 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>December 2018</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>January 2019</p></td><td><p>2</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>February 2019</p></td><td><p>2</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>March 2019</p></td><td><p>3</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>April 2019</p></td><td><p>2</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>May 2019</p></td><td><p>6</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>June 2019</p></td><td><p>9</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p><p>These figures do not include cases which are waiting for a grant to be issued. The data from April 2019 to June 2019 have been extracted from the HMCTS Reform Core Case Data system, which is a new system in active development, and may not be directly comparable with figures for earlier periods. All figures, especially those for April 2019 to June 2019, are provisional and subject to revision.</p><p> </p><p>Some grants are experiencing delays of between four and six weeks outside of our targets as a result of significant increases in work during March and April and some technology issues which have now been resolved. We have recruited more staff and are now issuing in excess of 1,000 grants a day, which is bringing waiting times down further.</p><p> </p><p>Urgent action has been taken to address the delays which have been experienced in the probate service. Her Majesty’s Courts &amp; Tribunals Service is increasing staffing levels and further improving the digital service to help reduce waiting times.</p>
answering member constituency Blackpool North and Cleveleys more like this
answering member printed Paul Maynard more like this
grouped question UIN 277181 more like this
question first answered
less than 2019-07-18T09:21:14.43Zmore like thismore than 2019-07-18T09:21:14.43Z
answering member
3926
label Biography information for Paul Maynard more like this
tabling member
4066
label Biography information for Priti Patel more like this
1138966
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2019-07-15more like thismore than 2019-07-15
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Probate: Fees and Charges more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, whether he has made an assessment of the effect on the application-processing performance of the Probate Service of changes to the fees structure in 2019; and if he will make a statement. more like this
tabling member constituency Witham more like this
tabling member printed
Priti Patel more like this
uin 277183 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2019-07-18more like thismore than 2019-07-18
answer text <p>Full consideration has been given to the effect of the proposed fees structure for grant of probate applications on receipts and subsequently on processing performance. We would expect an increase in the number of applications received prior to the introduction of the new fees, which would be partly offset by a decline in receipts post-introduction.</p><p> </p><p>In March 2019 there was a significant increase of probate applications ahead of the anticipated implementation of the new fee structure but, as the fees were not introduced as planned, the high volume of receipts continued into April.</p><p> </p><p>Urgent action has been taken to address the delays which have been experienced in the probate service. Her Majesty’s Courts and Tribunals Service is increasing staffing levels and further improving the digital service to help reduce waiting times.</p> more like this
answering member constituency Blackpool North and Cleveleys more like this
answering member printed Paul Maynard more like this
question first answered
less than 2019-07-18T09:23:33.433Zmore like thismore than 2019-07-18T09:23:33.433Z
answering member
3926
label Biography information for Paul Maynard more like this
tabling member
4066
label Biography information for Priti Patel more like this
1138971
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2019-07-15more like thismore than 2019-07-15
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Prisoners: Training more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, pursuant to the Answer of 11 July 2019 to Question 273806 on Prisoners: Training, what courses are listed on that HMPPS Management Information System for each prison. more like this
tabling member constituency Leeds East more like this
tabling member printed
Richard Burgon more like this
uin 277220 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2019-07-18more like thismore than 2019-07-18
answer text <p>The HMPPS Management Information System was introduced alongside the new education contracts in April this year, and its use is still being embedded across the prison estate. I will write to the Hon Member in Autumn with the information requested once a verified list of courses can be provided, and will place a copy of my letter in the Library.</p> more like this
answering member constituency South Swindon more like this
answering member printed Robert Buckland more like this
question first answered
less than 2019-07-18T10:42:14.2Zmore like thismore than 2019-07-18T10:42:14.2Z
answering member
4106
label Biography information for Sir Robert Buckland more like this
tabling member
4493
label Biography information for Richard Burgon more like this
1138975
registered interest false more like this
date less than 2019-07-15more like thismore than 2019-07-15
answering body
Ministry of Justice more like this
answering dept id 54 more like this
answering dept short name Justice more like this
answering dept sort name Justice remove filter
hansard heading Youth Custody more like this
house id 1 more like this
legislature
25259
pref label House of Commons more like this
question text To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, how many and what proportion of children in custody were held in (a) Secure Children's Homes, (b) Secure Training Centres and (c) Young Offenders Institutions in each year since 2010. more like this
tabling member constituency Leeds East more like this
tabling member printed
Richard Burgon more like this
uin 277224 more like this
answer
answer
is ministerial correction false more like this
date of answer less than 2019-07-18more like thismore than 2019-07-18
answer text <p>The table below shows the average monthly youth custody population (under 18-year olds) by sector for the years ending 31 March 2010 to 31 March 2018, and the proportion of the total under 18 custodial population represented by each sector.</p><p> </p><table><tbody><tr><td><p><strong>Population by sector</strong></p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p><strong>2010</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2011</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2012</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2013</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2014</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2015</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2016</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2017</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2018</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Secure Children's Homes</p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p>167</p></td><td><p>165</p></td><td><p>166</p></td><td><p>142</p></td><td><p>129</p></td><td><p>101</p></td><td><p>108</p></td><td><p>107</p></td><td><p>106</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Secure Training Centres</p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p>253</p></td><td><p>264</p></td><td><p>280</p></td><td><p>253</p></td><td><p>262</p></td><td><p>223</p></td><td><p>196</p></td><td><p>131</p></td><td><p>166</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Young Offender Institutions</p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p>1,998</p></td><td><p>1,610</p></td><td><p>1,517</p></td><td><p>1,149</p></td><td><p>825</p></td><td><p>714</p></td><td><p>656</p></td><td><p>630</p></td><td><p>623</p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>Total</strong></p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p><strong>2,418</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2,040</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>1,963</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>1,544</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>1,216</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>1,037</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>960</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>868</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>894</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>Share of population by sector</strong></p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p><strong>2010</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2011</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2012</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2013</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2014</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2015</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2016</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2017</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>2018</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Secure Children's Homes</p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p>7%</p></td><td><p>8%</p></td><td><p>8%</p></td><td><p>9%</p></td><td><p>11%</p></td><td><p>10%</p></td><td><p>11%</p></td><td><p>12%</p></td><td><p>12%</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Secure Training Centres</p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p>10%</p></td><td><p>13%</p></td><td><p>14%</p></td><td><p>16%</p></td><td><p>22%</p></td><td><p>21%</p></td><td><p>20%</p></td><td><p>15%</p></td><td><p>19%</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Young Offender Institutions</p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p>83%</p></td><td><p>79%</p></td><td><p>77%</p></td><td><p>74%</p></td><td><p>68%</p></td><td><p>69%</p></td><td><p>68%</p></td><td><p>73%</p></td><td><p>70%</p></td></tr><tr><td><p><strong>Total</strong></p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p><strong>100%</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>100%</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>100%</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>100%</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>100%</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>100%</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>100%</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>100%</strong></p></td><td><p><strong>100%</strong></p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td></tr><tr><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td><td><p> </p></td></tr></tbody></table>
answering member constituency Charnwood more like this
answering member printed Edward Argar more like this
question first answered
less than 2019-07-18T13:42:05.813Zmore like thismore than 2019-07-18T13:42:05.813Z
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label Biography information for Edward Argar more like this
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label Biography information for Richard Burgon more like this